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[109a] Incorrect Commercial assignments/inventory

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I'm having a wierd issue that I think I've seen others mention in the past, but want to make sure.
By which I mean, in my current save which was started on version 1.0.9 (actually 1.0.9a, as charactername implies), I have Lily assigned at a Bar, and she's giving her correct "vendor bark" dialog lines, but she's got the "vendor only sells their personal inventory and not the store's" glitch going on. In that same settlement, Alex Powell is assigned at a Martial plot, but he ALSO has what I think are "vendor bark" lines, and talking to him has him offer the dialog option to Barter too (and HE has a full stock of food).

Is this sort of thing still happening to anyone else?

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(side note: is the Vit-O-Matic that hard to actually aim with when used in 'ranged mode' for everyone, or am I just awful with it?)
 
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yaugieLC said:
I'm having a wierd issue that I think I've seen others mention in the past, but want to make sure.
By which I mean, in my current save which was started on version 1.0.9 (actually 1.0.9a, as charactername implies), I have Lily assigned at a Bar, and she's giving her correct "vendor bark" dialog lines, but she's got the "vendor only sells their personal inventory and not the store's" glitch going on. In that same settlement, Alex Powell is assigned at a Martial plot, but he ALSO has what I think are "vendor bark" lines, and talking to him has him offer the dialog option to Barter too (and HE has a full stock of food).

Is this sort of thing still happening to anyone else?

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(side note: is the Vit-O-Matic that hard to actually aim with when used in 'ranged mode' for everyone, or am I just awful with it?)
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Wondering if it's a Starlight specific issue. Does this happen in any other settlements?
 
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NDQ said:
Wondering if it's a Starlight specific issue. Does this happen in any other settlements?
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Yes it happens elsewhere, I've had it happen at Sanctuary and Oberland too.
EDIT: Here is a screenshot from a save where Julie Powell, living in Sanctuary, is acting as a Bar type vendor despite her assignment being Caravaneer (also meaning I can't use the Caravaneer dialog with her).

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I've tried every variable I can think of in the process of figuring this out. It does not appear to be any specific plot, or any specific individual. It can't be them having had the other assignment prior but then been changed to their current one. It isn't specific to any one settlement location. Refreshing or even destroying the plot/s doesn't do anything about it, nor does shooting the affected people with the Vitomatic.

It does only happen (at least in my experience) to new people joining a settlement where a Commercial plot is already built, though... maybe it's related to the "people joining a settlement get auto-assigned no matter what you have that setting on" thing? Most Commercial plots are only 1-occupant, though, and I only build as many plots as needed for whoever lives there NOW not pre-emptively, so I don't know how that'd work...
 
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I have noticed in past testing that there are a lot of Vendor related errors in the Papyrus log. I have not looked to deep into those as most of the time they are false positives. (errors in the log) It may be related. IIRC, the errors were mostly trying to access an invalid array index.
 
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msalaba said:
I have noticed in past testing that there are a lot of Vendor related errors in the Papyrus log. I have not looked to deep into those as most of the time they are false positives. (errors in the log) It may be related. IIRC, the errors were mostly trying to access an invalid array index.
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My papyrus log files have an absolute shiteload of SS2 trying to call array values outside the size of the array too, but if I'm reading these names right (thanks kinggath for using sensible naming structures) it seems to be mostly related to power plots for me for some reason; a handful of trying to do what I presume is updating Holo HUD icons despite me having those turned off too. I can't see any mention of vendors unless they're named something else in the code.
 
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Well... it was maybe around v1.0.14 the last I looked. CRS is a thing...
 
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Thinking about it, I haven't seen this "wrong NPC acting as vendor" issue in quite a while, although I've spent months without actually playing the game myself. My current save is getting reasonably well progressed though; I'll go spend some time running around poking everyone and seeing if it happened. I know a couple of settlements have people that joined after shops were built...
 
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Din'elen DarkStar said:
You know this was one of those... Start a new game fixes. Longtime ago
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That's all well and good, but if following the questline you don't even get Commercial plots until multiple hours in, and since the "endgame" of SS2's mechanics is the Industrial Production -> Commercial sales chain, it's a problem that might not even get noticed until a playtime measured in days. And I know I'm not the only person to have ever seen the issue, so I'd rather fix it instead of just write off yet another thing as "nah too bad start over".
 
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yaugieLC said:
That's all well and good, but if following the questline you don't even get Commercial plots until multiple hours in, and since the "endgame" of SS2's mechanics is the Industrial Production -> Commercial sales chain, it's a problem that might not even get noticed until a playtime measured in days. And I know I'm not the only person to have ever seen the issue, so I'd rather fix it instead of just write off yet another thing as "nah too bad start over".
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its possible that the settlers get the vendor Tag if they use the Commercials Plot as idle Furniture?See that in 1 of my settlements i have there a Commercial Plot level 1 but with no Settlers assign so all my settlers go to that Plot when in idle and act same as they are assign to the plot.In that Settlement i have now 14 Settlers and near all have become Traders now But no one ever was assign official to a Commercial Plot
 
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GladiusVictorius said:
its possible that the settlers get the vendor Tag if they use the Commercials Plot as idle Furniture?See that in 1 of my settlements i have there a Commercial Plot level 1 but with no Settlers assign so all my settlers go to that Plot when in idle and act same as they are assign to the plot.In that Settlement i have now 14 Settlers and near all have become Traders now But no one ever was assign official to a Commercial Plot
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I wouldn't think that was possible, but I don't know any more.

I was thinking it might have something to do with how some plots have additional assignable items on them other than the Plot itself (eg a lot of Industrial:Junk plots have a vanilla Scav Station on them that the plot's owner is meant to get the assignment on), combined with script-lag meaning sometimes people aren't 'inheriting' those assignments from their own plot, AND the "new members of the settlement always get auto-assigned even if that's turned off" thing... that would match with what is "known" about this issue.
 
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yaugieLC said:
I wouldn't think that was possible, but I don't know any more.

I was thinking it might have something to do with how some plots have additional assignable items on them other than the Plot itself (eg a lot of Industrial:Junk plots have a vanilla Scav Station on them that the plot's owner is meant to get the assignment on), combined with script-lag meaning sometimes people aren't 'inheriting' those assignments from their own plot, AND the "new members of the settlement always get auto-assigned even if that's turned off" thing... that would match with what is "known" about this issue.
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IF the plot designer took out the workshopobject script from them in the plots stage items then they should only function as animation markers.
 
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There might be something in this, I have Archibald assigned to "beans and books" 2x2 rec plot (or maybe it's a commerce plot but it was listed under recreation. I think categories get messed up sometimes, I even saw farms in there) and he acts like a vendor. Also I have a generic settler with 10 charisma, assigned to a charisma training plot (in a city plan) that was never built. That's really odd.
 
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Here is an Example. The Pub by Ohnno has a Stool that is also a clothing vendor. I always get the clothing/armor vendor dialog with anyone working there. But its a bar.
 
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Din'elen DarkStar said:
Here is an Example. The Pub by Ohnno has a Stool that is also a clothing vendor. I always get the clothing/armor vendor dialog with anyone working there. But its a bar.
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That could explain why I have a 3x3 farm worker thinking he’s a doctor while farming. Maybe the furniture stuff has multiple listings not getting removed or something.

id be so happy if this gets a real fix having random npc trying to doctor me when all I want is to check inventory was enough to make me kill a whole settlement a while back.
 
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There are a million furniture items to choose from and you have to be careful about one's that are also work items. They have scripts that have to be adjusted or removed on plots. Some are designed to be vendor specific.
 
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XxA1xX said:
That could explain why I have a 3x3 farm worker thinking he’s a doctor while farming. Maybe the furniture stuff has multiple listings not getting removed or something.

id be so happy if this gets a real fix having random npc trying to doctor me when all I want is to check inventory was enough to make me kill a whole settlement a while back.
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This would need to be done by the Addon authors themselves to fix it
 
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