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Mods Causing CTDs, Need Help! ):

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cvalleyboy

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Hi! Long story short, I have around 50 mods on my play through, and when I get into game my Fallout 4 inevitably crashes to desktop with no error message. Sometimes it occurs after 5 minutes, or other times maybe an hour if I'm lucky. Either way it is extremely annoying and is inhibiting my ability to enjoy this game as it should be enjoyed. The reason that I'm posting this plea for help on here is because I am almost certain that Sim Settlements is causing the CTDs, as they often happen in my settlements while I'm in workshop mode (but not always). I'm not a computer savvy person, so if you need to see my load order or that Papyrus report thing, let me know! thank you!
 
Bonjour Cvalleyboy
Vos installations mod sont-elles compatibles avec Sim Settelements?
Les mods que vous utilisez ont été mis à jour?
parce que certains mods ont été abandonnés par leur créateur, cela peut donc poser problème.
Avez-vous utilisé LOOT pour avoir un ordre de chargement correct (viable), il me semble que l'ordre de chargement peut créer des CTD.
Sinon, désactivez un par un vos mods et testez pour voir si le jeu fonctionne, pour voir quels mods provoquent le CTD
 
Julien said:
Bonjour Cvalleyboy
Vos installations mod sont-elles compatibles avec Sim Settelements?
Les mods que vous utilisez ont été mis à jour?
parce que certains mods ont été abandonnés par leur créateur, cela peut donc poser problème.
Avez-vous utilisé LOOT pour avoir un ordre de chargement correct (viable), il me semble que l'ordre de chargement peut créer des CTD.
Sinon, désactivez un par un vos mods et testez pour voir si le jeu fonctionne, pour voir quels mods provoquent le CTD
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- LOOT says that all of my mods are compatible, and also that I do not have any errors.
- my mods are for the most part up to date, except for some. such as AWKCR, which I dont have the latest version for because it said it required DLC, which I do not have.
- I have sim settlements installed AND also the 3in1 version, but I did that within the past week. The crashes have been happening long before that, so I do not believe that is the problem.
- I tried disabling mods 1 by 1 already but I still could not seem to find the problem. Perhaps if I send my load order as LOOT arranged it for me you may be able to identify possible suspects?


*Snap'n Build.esm
*SimSettlements.esm
*FCOM.esm
*Arbitration - Resources.esm
*TrueStormsFO4.esm
*ArmorKeywords.esm (NOT UP TO DATE)
*MiscHairstyle.esp
*RU556.esp
*SurvivalOptions.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp
*Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp
BTB- Beyond the Borders FO4.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
*The Castle.esp
*OutcastsAndRemnants.esp
*projectphoenix.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
*Arbitration - Button Lowered Weapons.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp
*Binoculars.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*Armorsmith Extended.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*Some Assembly Required.esp
*Eli_MarlboroughHouseNODLC.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*Weapons of Fate.esp
*Weapons of Fate - Reduced Bullet Speed.esp
*AA FusionCityRising.esp
*Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - Prydwen.esp
*Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - The Castle.esp
*Minutemen Supply Caches.esp
*Eli_Rockin Red Rocket.esp
*Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - Railroad HQ.esp
*MilitarizedMinutemen.esp
*Minuteman Watchtowers.esp
*ProjectValkyrie.esp
*CROSS_MojaveManhunter.esp
*GreaseGunSMG.esp
*Heavy BoS.esp
*DPAssaultCarbine.esp
*HuntingShotgun.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*PA-Quick Animations.esp
*BetterSettlers.esp
*BetterSettlersMortalPack.esp
*BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
*Synth Overhaul.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*Synth Overhaul - Black Patch.esp
*dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
*dD - Screen Blood Duration Medium.esp
*ImmersiveVendors.esp
*SlowTime.esp
*ZombieApocalypse.esp
*D.E.C.A.Y.esp
*CorpusPraesidium.esp
*CROSS_CourserStrigidae.esp
*blueteam.esp
*SettlementTidyBot.esp
*Companion_BloodRose.esp
*Grunts.esp
*Brotherhood of Steel Kit.esp
StartMeUp.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
 
Not familiar with all of your mods, but I'm wondering if the Slow Time mod is messing with things it shouldn't, and that might be causing issues with SS.
 
cvalleyboy said:
- LOOT says that all of my mods are compatible, and also that I do not have any errors.
- my mods are for the most part up to date, except for some. such as AWKCR, which I dont have the latest version for because it said it required DLC, which I do not have.
- I have sim settlements installed AND also the 3in1 version, but I did that within the past week. The crashes have been happening long before that, so I do not believe that is the problem.
- I tried disabling mods 1 by 1 already but I still could not seem to find the problem. Perhaps if I send my load order as LOOT arranged it for me you may be able to identify possible suspects?


*Snap'n Build.esm
*SimSettlements.esm
*FCOM.esm
*Arbitration - Resources.esm
*TrueStormsFO4.esm
*ArmorKeywords.esm (NOT UP TO DATE)
*MiscHairstyle.esp
*RU556.esp
*SurvivalOptions.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp
*Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp
BTB- Beyond the Borders FO4.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
*The Castle.esp
*OutcastsAndRemnants.esp
*projectphoenix.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
*Arbitration - Button Lowered Weapons.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp
*Binoculars.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*Armorsmith Extended.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*Some Assembly Required.esp
*Eli_MarlboroughHouseNODLC.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*Weapons of Fate.esp
*Weapons of Fate - Reduced Bullet Speed.esp
*AA FusionCityRising.esp
*Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - Prydwen.esp
*Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - The Castle.esp
*Minutemen Supply Caches.esp
*Eli_Rockin Red Rocket.esp
*Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - Railroad HQ.esp
*MilitarizedMinutemen.esp
*Minuteman Watchtowers.esp
*ProjectValkyrie.esp
*CROSS_MojaveManhunter.esp
*GreaseGunSMG.esp
*Heavy BoS.esp
*DPAssaultCarbine.esp
*HuntingShotgun.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*PA-Quick Animations.esp
*BetterSettlers.esp
*BetterSettlersMortalPack.esp
*BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
*Synth Overhaul.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*Synth Overhaul - Black Patch.esp
*dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
*dD - Screen Blood Duration Medium.esp
*ImmersiveVendors.esp
*SlowTime.esp
*ZombieApocalypse.esp
*D.E.C.A.Y.esp
*CorpusPraesidium.esp
*CROSS_CourserStrigidae.esp
*blueteam.esp
*SettlementTidyBot.esp
*Companion_BloodRose.esp
*Grunts.esp
*Brotherhood of Steel Kit.esp
StartMeUp.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
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hey cvalleyboy,

first thing I look at is Better Settlers, not that it is your problem but for me to get an understanding for where the user is in understanding general modding and things like what loot can and can not do:

  1. Load Order (IMPORTANT):
    <<<Eli's Armor Compendium and/or Azar's Ponytail Hairstyles (optional)>>>
    <<<Any other Settler Mods>>>
    BetterSettlers.esp
    <<<Any Better Settler Patches that you might use from other authors>>>>
    <<<Any Better Settler Optional Packs like Lollygagging, Clean face, or Light or Heavy Armor Types (optional)>>>
    <<<Better Settlers Mostly Female or Mostly Male (optional)>>>
    <<<CCAP MUST go here or it wont work (optional)>>>
    <<<Any Better Settler Mortal or Mortal Soldier Pack must go LAST or they wont work (optional)>>>
Between all you have said, what you have had active earlier in your save file and some fairly advanced mods compounded by updated mods that pull from un-updated ones that are foundational and touch everything. Lastly, as you said you have disabled your mods and still have the problem and it has been going on for a while and you have moved forward in the save file. oh, man. :cray

I am not sure anyone can really help. I sure know that what I see is beyond me.
This really concerns me:?
StartMeUp.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
BTB- Beyond the Borders FO4.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
*ArmorKeywords.esm (NOT UP TO DATE)

I would recommend restarting the game.

Sorry-man, I really want to help but there really is a lot going on here that isn't real good.

Just being honest sorry about the pessimistic response. If that is unacceptable then going back before the problems in your save could help but not what I am recommending here.

Maybe take a look at the below before your next run.

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/23556?tab=files

not so much as a recommendation but as an educational foundation.
 
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cvalleyboy said:
- LOOT says that all of my mods are compatible, and also that I do not have any errors.
- my mods are for the most part up to date, except for some. such as AWKCR, which I dont have the latest version for because it said it required DLC, which I do not have.
- I have sim settlements installed AND also the 3in1 version, but I did that within the past week. The crashes have been happening long before that, so I do not believe that is the problem.
- I tried disabling mods 1 by 1 already but I still could not seem to find the problem. Perhaps if I send my load order as LOOT arranged it for me you may be able to identify possible suspects?


*Snap'n Build.esm
*SimSettlements.esm
*FCOM.esm
*Arbitration - Resources.esm
*TrueStormsFO4.esm
*ArmorKeywords.esm (NOT UP TO DATE)
*MiscHairstyle.esp
*RU556.esp
*SurvivalOptions.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp
*Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp
*Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp
BTB- Beyond the Borders FO4.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
*The Castle.esp
*OutcastsAndRemnants.esp
*projectphoenix.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
*Arbitration - Button Lowered Weapons.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp
*Binoculars.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*Armorsmith Extended.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*Some Assembly Required.esp
*Eli_MarlboroughHouseNODLC.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*Weapons of Fate.esp
*Weapons of Fate - Reduced Bullet Speed.esp
*AA FusionCityRising.esp
*Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - Prydwen.esp
*Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - The Castle.esp
*Minutemen Supply Caches.esp
*Eli_Rockin Red Rocket.esp
*Eli_Faction Housing Overhaul - Railroad HQ.esp
*MilitarizedMinutemen.esp
*Minuteman Watchtowers.esp
*ProjectValkyrie.esp
*CROSS_MojaveManhunter.esp
*GreaseGunSMG.esp
*Heavy BoS.esp
*DPAssaultCarbine.esp
*HuntingShotgun.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*PA-Quick Animations.esp
*BetterSettlers.esp
*BetterSettlersMortalPack.esp
*BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
*Synth Overhaul.esp (NOT UP TO DATE)
*Synth Overhaul - Black Patch.esp
*dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
*dD - Screen Blood Duration Medium.esp
*ImmersiveVendors.esp
*SlowTime.esp
*ZombieApocalypse.esp
*D.E.C.A.Y.esp
*CorpusPraesidium.esp
*CROSS_CourserStrigidae.esp
*blueteam.esp
*SettlementTidyBot.esp
*Companion_BloodRose.esp
*Grunts.esp
*Brotherhood of Steel Kit.esp
StartMeUp.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
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A couple of things I see:

Minuteman Watchtowers breaks the precombines/previs data in the cells where it places the towers, as do all of Elianora's mods. This can cause significant instability and problems in those areas of the map.

Weapons of Fate changes the vanilla records for all ammunition types, suppressor mods, and for all projectiles. This isn't necessarily bad, but it could cause some issues.

The mod author for Live Dismemberment says on the file page to only use one version of the .esp file at a time. You appear to have all 7 versions of the .esp active. This likely doesn't help with stability.

LOOT doesn't really tell you much about compatibility, as far as I know. You would need to use FO4Edit to manually check the files, though that still doesn't show everything. You would also need to use Bethesda Archive Extractor to open the .ba2 files and manually check for script changes to truly confirm that mods are compatible.
 
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I recommend following the systematic "mod causing a CTD" checking procedure below:
  1. Start a new character with no mods activated, play until you exit Vault 111, then save the game. This will be your starting test save.
  2. Now, activate your mods in batches of 5-10, and save the game on loading in, until you get a CTD. One of the files in the batch of 5-10 you just activated is likely the culprit.
  3. Go back to the save right before you loaded the problem batch, then activate mods one at a time until you find the problem file.
 
Je vais dire une phrase stupide, mais certains de vos mods utilisent-ils des éléments de DLC?
après je ne sais pas si LOOT empêche l'incompatibilité, mais si vous avec 2 mods qui changent les mêmes scripts, cela peut être la cause de CTD.
Mods pas mis à jour aussi, je ne suis pas expert mais je pense qu'entre la sortie de Fallout 4 en 2015 et Fallout 4 2018, beaucoup de choses ont changé et beaucoup de changements ont été apportés.

Avez-vous mis beaucoup de choses dans votre établissement? libérer un gros chargement de données à la fois, planter votre jeu.

Les erreurs de scripts peuvent également provoquer un CTD, ce n'est pas drôle, mais créez un nouveau jeu, trichez dans le coffre 111, prenez des colonies et testez si vous avez le même problème, si votre sauvegarde est corrompue ( J'ai eu des problèmes avec le mod "V", qui avait corrompu le script de ma sauvegarde.
Sauvegardez-vous des données propres avant d'installer vos mods? (cela aide en cas de problème, et évite de réinstaller le jeu)
 
Julien said:
Je vais dire une phrase stupide, mais certains de vos mods utilisent-ils des éléments de DLC?
après je ne sais pas si LOOT empêche l'incompatibilité, mais si vous avec 2 mods qui changent les mêmes scripts, cela peut être la cause de CTD.
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I don't think that any of the mods listed require DLC, but I know Weapons of Fate has a DLC version. Fallout 4 shouldn't load at all, however, if the master file is missing.

Julien said:
Mods pas mis à jour aussi, je ne suis pas expert mais je pense qu'entre la sortie de Fallout 4 en 2015 et Fallout 4 2018, beaucoup de choses ont changé et beaucoup de changements ont été apportés.
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It won't really hurt anything not to to update Armor Keywords, Armorsmith Extended, Binoculars, or Hunting Shotgun, though they could cause some issues with some of the changes Bethesda has made to the crafting benches. Updating is most important when the changelog indicates a bugfix, or the mod is heavily scripted, since those changes can cause major issues. However, I'm 99% sure that Synth Overhaul likely isn't compatible with any version of Armor Keywords/Armorsmith Extended without a patch, and I didn't see one available on either page (I may have missed it).

RayBo said:
Between all you have said, what you have had active earlier in your save file and some fairly advanced mods compounded by updated mods that pull from un-updated ones that are foundational and touch everything. Lastly, as you said you have disabled your mods and still have the problem and it has been going on for a while and you have moved forward in the save file. oh, man. :cray

I am not sure anyone can really help. I sure know that what I see is beyond me.
This really concerns me:?
StartMeUp.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
BTB- Beyond the Borders FO4.esp (NOT ACTIVE)
*ArmorKeywords.esm (NOT UP TO DATE)

I would recommend restarting the game.

Sorry-man, I really want to help but there really is a lot going on here that isn't real good.

Just being honest sorry about the pessimistic response. If that is unacceptable then going back before the problems in your save could help but not what I am recommending here.
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Yeah, I unfortunately have to agree with RayBo here. Your save file likely has a lot of baked-in artifacts from the mods you've disabled that are contributing to the crashing issues. You may need to clean things up and start fresh. :(
 
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I forgot to ask you, do some of your mods need the Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch? When you download the mods, it does not require you to download any other mod before
 
Julien said:
*CROSS_CourserStrigidae.esp and *CROSS_MojaveManhunter.esp , it's write esp but it's esm
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I've seen several mod authors do this in order to force their mod and its resources to load before other mods. It isn't necessarily a problem that would generate CTDs, but it isn't a great practice.
 
snarkywriter said:
I don't think that any of the mods listed require DLC, but I know Weapons of Fate has a DLC version. Fallout 4 shouldn't load at all, however, if the master file is missing.



It won't really hurt anything not to to update Armor Keywords, Armorsmith Extended, Binoculars, or Hunting Shotgun, though they could cause some issues with some of the changes Bethesda has made to the crafting benches. Updating is most important when the changelog indicates a bugfix, or the mod is heavily scripted, since those changes can cause major issues. However, I'm 99% sure that Synth Overhaul likely isn't compatible with any version of Armor Keywords/Armorsmith Extended without a patch, and I didn't see one available on either page (I may have missed it).



Yeah, I unfortunately have to agree with RayBo here. Your save file likely has a lot of baked-in artifacts from the mods you've disabled that are contributing to the crashing issues. You may need to clean things up and start fresh. :(
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I would update armorsmith but it says it requires AWKCR 6.2 or newer. When I go to the AWKCR page, it says under requirements some of the various DLC. I don't have any of them. Can I still get the latest version or will it not work since I don't have any DLC?
 
snarkywriter said:
I recommend following the systematic "mod causing a CTD" checking procedure below:
  1. Start a new character with no mods activated, play until you exit Vault 111, then save the game. This will be your starting test save.
  2. Now, activate your mods in batches of 5-10, and save the game on loading in, until you get a CTD. One of the files in the batch of 5-10 you just activated is likely the culprit.
  3. Go back to the save right before you loaded the problem batch, then activate mods one at a time until you find the problem file.
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I just started a new game with no mods active, and my game CTD at the part when I was asked to go play with baby Shaun..I have no idea what to do now.
 
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