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Random Crashing

Frogzilla

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I had gotten a point in my game where I would constant crash on load in a town (from very little to no crashing). The town in question wasn't built by sim settlement itself, just many of its plots, mostly interior plots. Anywhere else in the commonwealth, it seemed to work fine. One of the sim settlement add-on (A mod that admitted it was crashing the game) when I removed it, it stopped crashing on load up, but would crash later. This is after I have removed almost every single mod I had, even a older version of sim settlements. Couldn't get it stable.
So........I unloaded every single sim settlement and add-ons and a new game. ZERO crashes anywhere. At this point, I'm not really sure what to do.
 
I had gotten a point in my game where I would constant crash on load in a town (from very little to no crashing). The town in question wasn't built by sim settlement itself, just many of its plots, mostly interior plots. Anywhere else in the commonwealth, it seemed to work fine. One of the sim settlement add-on (A mod that admitted it was crashing the game) when I removed it, it stopped crashing on load up, but would crash later. This is after I have removed almost every single mod I had, even a older version of sim settlements. Couldn't get it stable.
So........I unloaded every single sim settlement and add-ons and a new game. ZERO crashes anywhere. At this point, I'm not really sure what to do.


Make sure all of the mods you had previously installed were updated to their most current versions. That will probably do you some justice. RE-install all of your old mods in sets of 2-3 and go try to recreate the CTD by questing around for a bit. If your game continues to work, try a another set until you crash... Its a tedious approach but it will likely help you single out what could be causing your issues. Especially since WITHOUT the mods you have "ZERO Crashes". I hope this helps you out man!
 
@Michael Mckinney, It Probably also goes without mention, but also know that installing a specific mod and THEN getting CTD doesn't necessarily mean that it is THAT mod per se. Know that it could simply be that mod in CONJUNCTION with the other mods you've installed up to that point.

If I was at that point in trying to determine what was causing my issues I would then UNINSTALL and then re-install EVERY other mod EXCEPT the one where it caused crashes, until I built back up to where was when I installed the mod that "seemingly" causes my crashes...
Doing that does two things. 1. It tells you if it is JUST that mod by itself or if it boils down to that mod and YOUR specific mod load-out that's actually giving you the blues... Admittedly it IS a tedious process but it will go great lengths in 2. Understanding that it may not have been a "Bad Mod" that broke your game, but rather the mod working with YOUR setup...

Because if you really dig the mod that turns up to be causing you trouble you can then determine if you need to scrap the conflicting one(s) or keep the seeming "problematic one"... I had to scrap a couple good ones before to keep a mod I had found on LL. I felt like it was worth losing the others (conflicting mods) to keep the one from LL that was causing some bugginess in my game when played with the ones I decided to remove.
 
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When the crashing started, it became a ctd no matter how many times i reloaded, always in a settlement. I started removing mods. I got to the point it was instand ctd on startup. The INSTANT ctd still happened on load every single time removing mods. That's when I really started removing even more mods. after 30+ times, I finally found a issue with the sim add-on (they had it on the nexus post tab. That STOPPED THE instant CTD but I could only play a few minutes within that settlement. As for the recurring ctd that continued, i'm guessing it's a building/interior that upgraded (3rd lvl) badly. I wish there was a way to find what caused the ctd. I've loaded back most of my mods, except the sim settlement mods. ZERO crashes. I'm not quite as far in the game as I was when the CTD started up, but i'm getting close now.

Is there any tool that can help narrow down a ctd crash?
 
Well in reference to your previous post,
My offering is not necessarily a tool to determine cause. Without being a mod author, I can share with you this script courtesy of KGath which clears out settlement scripts.
Although, it really sounds like you have already scrapped your mods down to bare bones, its worth a shot...Also, know that KG himself has said that the current iteration of Sim Settlements has this code baked into it in a way that the standalone script almost becomes quite literally unnecessary.

If you've scrapped down to the Butt nakedness of FO4 then possibly what you are dealing with is a hardware vs settings issue? Is your physical setup (Hardware Limitations) overwhelmed with what you are tasking it to do?? ULTRA when you should be on something lower? 30 scripts running when you should have 15? Complex plots when you should have OPTIMIZED? If I'm understanding correctly, you are pretty much running FO4 WITHOUT any mods now and STILL having CTDs?


This doesn't really sound like your problem BUUUUUUT it's a good thing to have... Based on what you are posting it sounds like there is something else going on in your playthrough... Something maybe beyond me and my limited knowledge outside of being a player of the game and user of the mods with a good working knowledge born of many hours TRIAL AND ERROR...

Also, there is the papyrus log (doesn't TRULY give a definitive answer) You could check that to see where your game is freezing. (What was the LAST action attempting to execute before the crash?) The above link takes you to a thread where @kinggath posted the script cleaner. If I were in your position I wouldn't be above posting a log and copy of your load order so that the REAL mod authors and BIG BRAINS could look at it and offer advice regarding what looks off to them...
 
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Also just as an aside, in the way of "tools," there is another mod courtesy of @reg2k which checks the power grid of settlements and helps you to correct them, among a few other things. That may be a route worth checking for a light at the end of the tunnel.
 
When the crashing started, it became a ctd no matter how many times i reloaded, always in a settlement. I started removing mods. I got to the point it was instand ctd on startup. The INSTANT ctd still happened on load every single time removing mods. That's when I really started removing even more mods. after 30+ times, I finally found a issue with the sim add-on (they had it on the nexus post tab. That STOPPED THE instant CTD but I could only play a few minutes within that settlement. As for the recurring ctd that continued, i'm guessing it's a building/interior that upgraded (3rd lvl) badly. I wish there was a way to find what caused the ctd. I've loaded back most of my mods, except the sim settlement mods. ZERO crashes. I'm not quite as far in the game as I was when the CTD started up, but i'm getting close now.

Is there any tool that can help narrow down a ctd crash?

Michael, going back. Is the offending mod a “city plan” or regular add-on. If you would be so kind as to send / PM me the name of the add-on I would love to take a look at it. Some have dependency’s.

Still, it is very rare that this happens with add-ons, I have only encountered it once. Still, I had several conversations with the author. the only way to fix it was to go back in the save file, if you had just removed it your save file would be cooked. Additionally, complicateing things like this is who is really conflicting with who. Often one mod gets unjustly blamed where by itself is just fine and stable. It is the users combination that is unstable.

“one of the sim settlement add-on (A mod that admitted it was crashing the game) when I removed it, it stopped crashing on load up, ”

This all sounds really odd, and odd to me means I missed something fundamental.

Also what DLC’s of the game are installed? Season pass or what DLC’s.

Lastly, you cannot remove mods and play forward from that point and expect a stable game. The only way is to find that issue, remove it and then return to your game at a point before that problem was created in your chronological save files.

To be clear: In your write up, you went back to before the CTD started but did you go back to a point before you installed all the mods you uninstalled? If not then, I don’t think there is a tool?Maybe at some point the papyrus log?” Likely now, lots of good luck? haha sorry that is not a tool. but still you might be fine, if it kicks in with CTD at the same point you will need to set up the papyrus log action beforehand if you think that could help. I can’t help with that as I am just starting to play with that, but I would think given the outline, it is a diagnostic tool and a compromise save file isn’t getting fixed by any tool that I know of?

Given all the above adding SS back into a new clean game should be safe, it is highly compatible. That is unless there is still an underlying problem, conflict, vanilla glitch, or mod-save file discipline issues.
 
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It Probably also goes without mention, but also know that installing a specific mod and THEN getting CTD doesn't necessarily mean that it is THAT mod per se. Know that it could simply be that mod in CONJUNCTION with the other mods you've installed up to that point.

This.

This is the essential bit of knowledge to successful (OK SEMI-successful in my case) Mod Juggling.
 
In troubleshooting a particular settlement, if you use Transfer Settlements to export it, you will end up with a handy list of all mods used in that settlement. Probably not helpful with this particular case, but good for narrowing down the list of potential culprits.

(I have yet to try Transfer Settlements Blueprint Editor, but it looks promising)
 
I have all my mods loaded EXCEPT any sim settlement mod (and add-ons). No crashes at all. I only created 2 settlements using different mods (again no sim settlement mods). Running extremely stable.

As for the one that was doing instant ctd, it was sanctuary but NOT using city plan. Just the mayor plot, a city park plot, industry battery plot, and several interior plots (commercial and recreational and one industrial).

The mods i didn't load back:
sim settlements
always free mrjosecuervo addon
industrial city
leaders of the commonwealth
idek logistics station
ruined homes and gardens
brae's defences
jrbryant's foundations
jtbryant's utilities
sim towers
junk town
awsometown
plans preview
simhomestead
wasteland ventures combo (1&2)
 
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i were having crashs with the option to auto detect the number of threads for sim settlements, had to set manually to a number like 10 which is the default
 
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