New Report Exit to desktop = game freeze

Discussion in 'Conqueror Mod (System Bugs)' started by Rudy, Jan 19, 2019.

  1. DaGhostDS

    DaGhostDS New Member

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    I also noticed that my save file that got past 42 mb basically refuse to load Bunker Hills now, 42.993 work fine, anything over 43 mb just CTD on approach.

    I tested without Sim Settlement 3 in 1 / Conqueror and that same character save went down to 20 mb, which is a bit insane (but I did tell Conqueror to start max level which might not be a great idea), it also removed the crash to desktop on save.

    Looked at my first save, still not in the world just in the Sanctuary underground shelter at 29 mb, that's a bit high for my taste.

    I do think you are on something there with external file saving, because for the moment I think the amount of data from Sim Settlement being saved in the save file is probably overwhelming for the underwhelming Creation engine.

    Just worked 2 nights on my "Player base", so I guess it went up the small bit to hit the "death cap" during that time, a bit sad though, at least there is always Settlement Blueprint to send it to another game.

    Spec :
    i7 7700k
    EVGA 2070 RTX
    16gig of Ram
    Samsung Evo 256 & 1TB SSD
    Note that last time I played with Sim Settlement and I built a few settlement I was on my old i5 2500k and I got the same issues, thought they were just related to my kinda aging pc at that point, not so sure now.

    Load order attached
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    save file when I can send it, sadly can't due to new forum account.

    Still love the work Kinggath, you're definitely the king of Fallout 4 modding. :p
     

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  2. MrCJohn

    MrCJohn Well-Known Member Community Rockstar

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    All I can say is around 40mb save file and things go quirky... so I am not surprised about the 43mb issue. I have the latest hardware too, 1080Ti 32gb 512SSD, etc... Max level as well on the settlements, so, basically the file shouldn't grow from there much except for the records about your quests done and things you collect...any additional building you might do, etc...
     
  3. kastrenzo

    kastrenzo New Member

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    I've encountered this bug as well.

    I'm not 100% that Conqueror caused it. but I had only installed a few mods at the same time since this problem started.. Conqueror. And some character creation stuff like CBBE and some texture mods.

    For now I've forced task manager to always be on top. and I just quit to menu. and then quit the game,


    Running on 16GB Memory, RTX 2070 8GB, AMD 3700x and the game is installed on an SSD.
    130 mods, and 70 soft mods whatever that means.

    havent been able to find my plugins text file to give the actual plugin list yet, am also posting this from work pc at the moment anyway.
     
  4. Rudy

    Rudy Well-Known Member Community Rockstar

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    I created a new save game and mod setup for the building contest. This is very light on the mods but has Conq. and a pile of add on packs, but little else.
    I can exit to desktop no problem.
    The issue, I believe, is with mod conflicts, not with Conq. itself.
     
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  5. kastrenzo

    kastrenzo New Member

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    I'll have to pull up a mod list when I get home, I dont think Im running anything thats too unstable. afterall.
     
  6. Sef

    Sef New Member

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    Started totally fresh save and I have noticed a lot of Freezes and CDT when I'm around some settlements or as I'm rendering some settlements.

    1. Freezes and crashes happen sometimes with:

    Code:
    [ (0008C78A)].ObjectReference.SetPosition() - "<native>" Line ?
        [kgSIM_ScrapCleaner3 (0B0035D7)].simsettlements:scrapcleaner.PrepGarbage()

    2. Sometimes my game will freeze / CTD while I'm loading Level 3 settlement.

    As I'm doing a lot of saving (manual) and auto saving (every 5min) game play loss is not so huge.
    I also found out that sometimes switching cells help too (like going coc qasmoke) and then going to the settlement helps too.

    Yesterday night I was playing around Sanctuary and as I approached Red Rocket Truck Stop my game just CTD 5 times. So fixed it with coc qasmoke and then teleported to Red Rocket Truck Stop (ofc that placed me inside the bus, but nothing what tcl could not fix). Reason I crashed was the settlement was under attack and some reason rendering that place buged me out.

    Never less mods I'm using right now I have used months now and before Conqueror I never had any crashes.
    Code:
    # Automatically generated by Vortex
    Fallout4.esm
    DLCRobot.esm
    DLCworkshop01.esm
    DLCCoast.esm
    DLCworkshop02.esm
    DLCworkshop03.esm
    DLCNukaWorld.esm
    ArmorKeywords.esm
    Loads.esm
    CROSS_CosmeticFramework.esm
    TrueStormsFO4.esm
    SimSettlements.esm
    WorkshopFramework.esm
    SimSettlements_Patch_Nukaworld.esl
    TNR Shoulder Lamp.esp
    TNR Shoulder Lamp - Settings.esp
    Factor.esp
    ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion.esp
    CarryWeight99999.esp
    NegativeAffinityIsPositiveAffinity.esp
    CraftableGunsAndWeapons.esp
    LooksMenu.esp
    AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
    EasyLockpicking.esp
    EasyHacking.esp
    Idiot Slut.esp
    DD_Wasteland_Children_done_right.esp
    Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp
    AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp
    EAMR.esp
    Armorsmith Extended.esp
    CompanionIvy.esp
    Companion Infinite Ammo.esp
    AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Power Armor Carry Capacity.esp
    AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - No Crafting Perks.esp
    AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Ballistic Weave.esp
    Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp
    The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
    CBBE.esp
    AWKCR - Mod Power Armor Engine Glitch Fix.esp
    PIP-Pad.esp
    LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
    CraftableAmmo.esp
    CraftableAmmo_plus.esp
    CROSS_PlasRail.esp
    RRTV_FizztopGrilleEnhancements.esp
    SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp
    RRTV_HomesAndBunkers_Coastal.esp
    CheatTerminal.esp
    Mercenary.esp
    KSHairdos.esp
    dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
    dD - Limited Blood Decals.esp
    dD - Small Splatter Size.esp
    def_inv_scrap_en.esp
    McMillanCS5.esp
    Skibs-Miniguns.esp
    CROSS_Jetpack.esp
    CROSS_Uni_Headset.esp
    Motoko Hair.esp
    Binoculars.esp
    VWPlus_Factor.esp
    VWP_PLASRAIL.esp
    TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp
    TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
    TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp
    TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp
    DarkerNights.esp
    DarkerNightsDetection.esp
    BetterNightVision.esp
    FO4 Seasons - Spring - AllDLC.esp
    EnhancedGrass_Low.esp
    Insignificant Object Remover.esp
    PIP-Pad_LMCC.esp
    Dogmeat  A True Companion Insanity.esp
    K9TacticalHarness.esp
    Campsite.esp
    Campsite-Full-Sleep.esp
    timetravel.esp
    AdvancedNeeds2.esp
    VisibleWeaponsOnPacks.esp
    WestTekTacticalOptics.esp
    llamaCompanionHeather.esp
    AdvancedNeeds2_Expansion_04_MestrualCycle.esp
    AdvancedNeeds2_Expansion_02_Spoilage.esp
    AdvancedNeeds2_Patch_DLC.esp
    CS5_VWAS.esp
    LMBTOverlays.esp
    FemsheppingsRe-EnGAGEd.esp
    ARESAppleseed.esp
    Lots More Female Hairstyles.esp
    Lots More Male Hairstyles.esp
    Lots More Facial Hair.esp
    MiscHairstyle.esp
    MK_ComponentsRedone_VIS.esp
    DOOMSCARLK.esp
    StartMeUp.esp


    Now I'm freezing and crashing left and right. I keep testing Conqueror, but if my game gets totally unplayable I shall remove it and just stick with handful of Sim Settlements and that is it.

    My specs:
    GTX 1070ti
    i7-9700K
    SSD
    16GB Ram
     
  7. Slb1

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    In April/May/June, I tried twice to play Conqueror/BoS Liberator with numerous Quit Freezes/Save CTDs. At that time, MrCjohn and Raybo were very helpful, particularly regarding the problems using scrapping mods. I also suspected that Conqueror was giving me problems. So I started playing again after Kinggath and Takarazuka updated their respective mods.

    Last week, I started a completely fresh game three of Conqueror/BoS Liberator with no scrapping mods and several other SS mods plus a few BoS/survival/weapons/etc mods. Early in the game, the Quit Freezes started and at Level 11 after Prydwen/Strong the Quit Freezes/Save CTDs accelerated. I then deleted several mods that could potentially cause a conflict, and the problems still occurred. A Steam user noted that old mods could be the source of the problem. I did a mod hunt and Fallout Loot Overhaul, a very old mod that I have used for several years was clearly causing my problem. I deleted the mod and in game 4, I have had no problems yet, and I am currently working on the Prydwen/Strong level.
     
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  8. MrCJohn

    MrCJohn Well-Known Member Community Rockstar

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    It is sad when one realizes that a mod becomes dated. There are several. My rule of thumb is a mod to be in a load order has to be within 1 year... anything in 2018 is becoming dated.

    Unless you spend a lot of time in xEdit and understand what the mod actually does... some going way back to 2015 can still be relevant based on what it does.

    John
     

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