Question Unknown Mod Conflict Gitching out Level 2 Style Wagon

[Barbara917]

The title is my question.

I am troubleshooting a graphical bug I am having in my game and I am not even sure which mods or mod incompatibilities are the problem. The graphical problems are occuring over Sim Settlement assets or SS Plugin assets and seem to pulse/flicker with the weather. I have seen this occurring in both my Greygarden and Oberland settlements. The are both using the RotC simple city plans.

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

Can you describe these glitches or better yet show us a screenshot.

 

[Barbara917]

Can you describe these glitches or better yet show us a screenshot.

I didn't take a screenshot when they happened. I will try to reproduce. They are large, irregular, triangular geometric distortions that flicker in an out over areas of the settlement. They seem to pulse/flicker with the rain storm but I am not 100% certain the storm is the culprit.

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

I honestly don't know, I've never heard of that.

Are they rainbow coloured by any chance?

 

[Barbara917]

Here is an example. It wasn't raining. The distortions flicker in and out as my character walks by. So not Truestorms? Should I post my mod list? It is loooong.

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

I never seen that before.
How is your performance? Frame rate and load times.

 

[Barbara917]

I never seen that before.
How is your performance? Frame rate and load times.

I have never measured the numbers so I cannot give them to you. I eyeball everything. My game runs perfectly smooth with no mods. Noticeable drops in framerate didn't occur until recently when I finally added in Scrapeverything. But even so it is perfectly playable for me.

I am very inexperienced at modding and everytime I add a new mod I get nervous. It wasn't until Sim Settlements that the mod list ballooned.

edit to add: I have a pretty good machine. The weekest part of my rig is the graphics card, an Asus Strix GTX 970.

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

There's a couple of things we can try until hopefully someone who has seen this before shows up.

Lower your graphics settings by one, ie; high - medium, etc

When you were installing scrap everything did you tick the box for the more scrapping (bUseCombinedObjects=0)

You should probably post your loadorder so we can see if anything stands out.

 

[Barbara917]

There's a couple of things we can try until hopefully someone who has seen this before shows up.

Lower your graphics settings by one, ie; high - medium, etc

OK. Will try.

When you were installing scrap everything did you tick the box for the more scrapping (bUseCombinedObjects=0)

Because I could not remember I looked in the .ini file and there is no bUseCombinedObjects line at all which I think means I did not. I read that section of the installation notes on the Nexus page and did not fully understand it. I thought it was referring to scrapping things not in workshop areas so I decided I was not going to do that and did not need to risk a performance drop. But I wasn't 100% sure what that meant.

You should probably post your loadorder so we can see if anything stands out.

OK. I took screenshots of the load order and they are in my photobucket but I am having trouble linking them. There are nine screenshot named Loadorder1.png thru Loadorder9.png

edit to add: I think it is going to take me some time to write out 107 plugins. I wish I could figure out how to get Vortex to write the plugins to a file.

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

What Mod manager do you use?
If it's vortex go to C:\Users\YourUserName\AppData\Roaming\Vortex\fallout4\profiles
There will be a loadorder file that you can copy the contents of and paste here.
It is a similar filepath for any mod manger.

 

[Barbara917]

My Load Order

Spoiler: My Load Order

0 Fallout4.esm
1 DLCRobot.esm
2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 DLCCoast.esm
4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
8 ArmorKeywords.esm
9 HUDFramework.esm
10 WorkshopFramework.esm
11 TrueStormsF04.esm
12 Homemaker.esm
13 Snap'n Build.esm
14 VotWMaster.esm
15 VotWSpecialVideos.esl
16 VotWTheatre.esl
17 SimSettlements.esm
18 SimSettlements_IDEKsLogisticsStation.esl
19 GoodOldCartoonsVolumeI.esl
20 GoodOldCartoonsVolumeII.esl
21 GoodOldCartoonsVolumeIII.esl
22 Crimsomrider's DLC Ammo.esp
23 DD_Khassar_De_Templari_Increased_build.esp
24 VC_BetterWorkshopLightsComplete_Shadows.esp
25 Vault-tec brighter lights.esp
26 BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
27 Quick Save.esp
28 HoloTime.esp
29 console.esp
30 Immersive HUD.esp
31 UncappedSettlementSurplus.esp
32 Dogmeat's Backpack.esp
33 spacefiddle_Follower-Stealth-Distance-Fixes.esp
34 Faster Terminal Displays (10x).esp
35 Marmo1233 - Immersive Settlers.esp
36 Armorsmith Extended.esp
37 (Disabled) EBW-Merged.esp
38 AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
39 DD_1x1_Foundation_Blocks.esp
40 TurretStands.esp
41 CompanionsGoHome_A.esp
42 Reverb and Ambience Overhaul.esp
43 TrueStormsF04-FarHarbor.esp
44 TrueStormsF04-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp
45 DarkerNights.esp
46 DarkerNightsDetection.esp
47 dinoshelf.esp
48 dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp
49 dinoshelf_retex.esp
50 BTInteriors_Project.esp
51 Northland Diggers New.esp
52 BetterJunkFences.esp
53 3DNPC_F04.esp
54 EveryonesBestFriend.esp
55 BTInt_Optimization.esp
56 Rebuilt_JamaicaPlain.esp
57 HAIA.esp
58 EMIB.esp
59 Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp
60 3DNPC_F04_DLC.esp
61 RecruitableSettlers.esp
62 W.A.T.Minutemen.esp
63 VotWStarlightDrivein.esp
64 AnotherBrickinTheWall.esp
65 JibsResidentialAddOnPack.esp
66 VotWCells.esp
67 3DNPC_FO4Settler.esp
68 RecruitableSettlersFH.esp
69 Mercenary.esp
70 SettlementMenuManager.esp
71 SimSettlementsRecr_Leaders.esp
72 MJC_SS_Plots.esp
73 B84sThemedResidentials.esp
74 SS_AddOn_CbC_AIO.esp
75 SimSettlements_AddOnPack_Defences_Brae.esp
76 JunkTown.esp
77 ruined_simsettlement_addonpack.esp
78 UitFJ.esp
79 TrailerParkDreams.esp
80 ohSIM_Sim_Settlements_Scrappers_Addon.esp
81 SimHomestead.esp
82 RS_Sim_AddOn.esp
83 home_improvement_all.esp
84 JamaicaPlainExpansion.esp
85 WVSimSAddon.esp
86 AtomicRadio.esp
87 PCDugTriangularRevolution.esp
88 MJC_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp
89 PCDugWedges.esp
90 SSEX.esp
91 CWSS Redux.esp
92 SalvageBeacons.esp
93 BasementLiving.esp
94 Altairp's Animal Farm.esp
95 IndustrialCity_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp
96 IndustrialCity_Sim_Settlements_Dispatcher_Radio_Optional.esp
97 Sim_Settlements_Mayors.esp
98 PCDugSIMAddon.esp
99 SimSettlements_AddOnPack_Foundations_JtBryant.esp
100 SimSettlements_AddOnPack_Utilities_JtBryant.esp
101 SimSettlements Previews Newest.esp
102 ss_addon_phpp.esp
103 Vertibird Alt Fix.esp
104 Brainwashing.esp
105 FO4 Seasons - Spring - AllDLC.esp
106 BBVid Holotapes.esp
107 SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries.esp
108 3DNPC_FO4Settler_SimSettlements.esp
109 Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp
110 BetterSettlers.esp
111 BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp
112 BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp

 

[Barbara917]

Well poop! I can no longer enter the Oberland area. CTD.

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

There's nothing that stands out in your loadorder to me.
How many settlers do you have in problematic settlements like Oberland?

 

[Barbara917]

There's nothing that stands out in your loadorder to me.
How many settlers do you have in problematic settlements like Oberland?

Somewhere between 10-15.

This is the second game I have gotten CTD's in the Oberland area. I abandoned the last game because Oberland and the surrounding cells were dead (could not be entered.) I even tried the COC console command. After that I uninstalled all mods and followed Bethesda instructions for removing all mods from my game and re-installed Fallout 4. Then I re-installed that load order you see. This game is a new game starting from there. It looks like I have another dead game.

 

[Barbara917]

That 10-15 count should probably be adjusted up to 20 to account for visitors including WATM roving Minutemen.

 

[Barbara917]

New information!

I discovered the precise problem that is causing the graphical glitch. It is Kinggath's level 2 Style Wagon. In both Oberland Station and Greygarden the spot that was glitching out was the level 2 version of that shop. I feel confident that there is nothing wrong with that shop itself or someone else would have noticed long before now. But I do believe there is something in my load order that it absolutely does not like.

I would welcome anyone take a look at my mods and make suggestions about which one might be causing level 2 Style Wagon to go nuts.

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

I would welcome anyone take a look at my mods and make suggestions about which one might be causing level 2 Style Wagon to go nuts.

That's very difficult to do unless someone has had the same experience that you have.
Have you changed that plot to something else to see if the problem persists or not?

 

[Barbara917]

That's very difficult to do unless someone has had the same experience that you have.
Have you changed that plot to something else to see if the problem persists or not?

Yes. That is how I know it is that specific plot. Changed the plot to something else and the grapical distortions vanished before me. I changed the plots in both Oberland and Greygarden and all graphics glitches and CTD's are gone. I understand this is not a bug. It is a conflict with some other mod in my load order. The obvious workaround for me is to not use Style Wagon until I can figure out which mod it is conflicting with.

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

I don't know what to say, other than unless there's a few reports of this that we can compare load orders to see what mods are in common it's very difficult to solve.

 

[Barbara917]

I don't know what to say, other than unless there's a few reports of this that we can compare load orders to see what mods are in common it's very difficult to solve.

I was hoping for something along the lines of, "I have used mods X, Y, and Z so I am pretty sure it is not those." I don't know what assets are in that plot. I would think one of them is being glitched out by another of my mods. For example, it is a clothing store. Maybe there is a clothing item that is being glitched out by the Mercenary pack? I don't know. I have never done this kind of programming so I don't know what makes sense for which mods I should try disabling first.