load order problems.

[zac115]

so in my last post i was having problems with concord and CTD when i came near it or when i walked out of the area where you find garvey. well i have been working on find out what the problem was that was making the game crash. i have ran out of idea on how to solve this. the only thing i have found is that if i turn off we are the minutemen all the problems go away. but on the flip side i have had quite a few people tell me that they have played with SS2 and WATM with no problems. so i ask those people what did you install, what did you install it with and what is the loader. i cant think of anything else i can do as i have been at this for 3 weeks now off and on. i really want to use WATM because it fixes so many thing that are wrong with the minutemen but i cant even get past concord. i ave tried to fix this my self but have failed so i ask for any help i can get. thank you.

 

[zac115]

here is my load order


0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
254 FE 0 IDEKsLogisticsStation2.esl
8 8 ArmorKeywords.esm
9 9 WorkshopFramework.esm
10 a SS2.esm
254 FE 1 ZJ PerfPlan - Sanctuary.esl
254 FE 2 ZJ-Starlight-PerfPlan.esl
254 FE 3 JamaicaplainMinutemenBase.esl
254 FE 4 Reina_Vault88-SS2.esl
254 FE 5 CanarySaveFileMonitor.esl
11 b HUDFramework.esm
12 c DEF_WIDGETS_CORE.esm
254 FE 6 ImmersiveTeleportation.esl
254 FE 7 IDEKsLogisticsStation2_SS2_Patch.esp
13 d JunkTown-FENCES2.esp
14 e SS2_CityPlanPack_RiseOfTheCommonwealth.esp
254 FE 8 SS2WalledGardensAndMore.esp
254 FE 9 SS2WhisperPowerPlots.esp
15 f SS2Extended.esp
254 FE a SS2_RobotMod.esp
254 FE b SS2_RobotMod_VIS.esp
16 10 SS2_ruined_simsettlement_addonpack.esp
17 11 ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion-VanillaWeight.esp
18 12 WorkshopRearranged.esp
19 13 InstituteSettlements2.esp
20 14 SS2_FDK_TinyLiving.esp
21 15 SimHomestead2.esp
22 16 SimSettlements2_AddOnPack_ApocalypticAdditions_SirLach.esp
254 FE c SS2AOP_VaultTecTools.esp
23 17 CraftingFramework.esp
24 18 AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp
25 19 AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Power Armor Carry Capacity.esp
26 1a AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - AWKCR Power Armor.esp
27 1b AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - AWKCR.esp
28 1c WmkActiveEffects.esp
29 1d MojaveImports.esp
30 1e WorkshopRearranged_MojaveImports_Patch.esp
31 1f Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp
32 20 SS2_SIMPDDDD.esp
33 21 ChinaLakeandHolorifle.esp
34 22 SettlementMenuManager.esp
35 23 Workshop Terminals.esp
36 24 LAER.esp
37 25 NukaRadBans.esp
38 26 F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp
39 27 WattzLaserGun.esp
40 28 Archimedes-II.esp
41 29 SlowTime.esp
42 2a CROSS_GoreCrits.esp
43 2b CROSS_GoreCrits_FarHarborPatch.esp
44 2c Companion Infinite Ammo.esp
45 2d CraftableAmmo.esp
46 2e CraftableAmmo_plus.esp
47 2f CriticalHitsOutsideofVATS.esp
48 30 Rangergearnew.esp
49 31 ClassicSniper.esp
50 32 RRTV_UndergroundHideout_Redux.esp
51 33 [SS2 Addon] SimSettlements SuperStructures.esp
52 34 SS2WastelandVenturers.esp
53 35 ohSIM_Sim2_Settlements_Scrappers_Addon.esp
54 36 SKKMobileWorkshop.esp
55 37 SS2-Jampads2.esp
56 38 SS2-Jampads2_ImportsPatch.esp
57 39 JunkTownTwo.esp
58 3a SS2-PraRandomAddon.esp
254 FE d SS2-PraRandomAddon-VIS.esp
254 FE e SS2Addon_MS_BareEssentials.esp
59 3b DV-Durable Vertibirds.esp
60 3c DV-No Levelled Vertibirds.esp
61 3d dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
62 3e EveryonesBestFriend.esp
63 3f HoloTime.esp
254 FE f ImmersiveTeleportationVis.esp
64 40 Insignificant Object Remover.esp
65 41 Journal.esp
66 42 K9TacticalHarness.esp
67 43 LAER Automatron Weapons.esp
68 44 LongerPowerLines3x.esp
69 45 More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
70 46 QuickTrade.esp
71 47 3dscopes-replacer.esp
72 48 SkjAlert_All_DLC.esp
73 49 M2216.esp
74 4a Armorsmith Extended.esp
75 4b LAER-Armorsmith_Patch.esp

 

[Din'elen DarkStar]

You probably have a texture that's getting messed up. Try putting WATMM farther towards the bottom and see if that helps

 

[zac115]

You probably have a texture that's getting messed up. Try putting WATMM farther towards the bottom and see if that helps

ok i will give this a try and report back

 

[RayBo]

I don't use WATM so I am not the guy nor the advice you are looking for. Still, I will try to be some help. I know how frustrating it can be.
Honestly, the LO doesn't look bad to me.

I am a MM player.
I do use:

You and What Army - More Minutemen Patrols

Adds a proper progression to the Minutemen via patrols between your settlements. Defend the commonwealth against raiders and monsters alike, with the help of the minutemen!

www.nexusmods.com

and a handful of other mods to make my MM better.

Given it only takes one mod to toast a LO.
Sometimes it isn't just one mod but the combination. Or, other folks have a mod that you don't and that other mod overwrites the issue "fixing it for them" but not for you? Thus, users get stuck with a choice "this or that" or not using a mod that might otherwise is fine.

The first and only tool I can recommend given the countless mod combinations is:

FO4Edit

FO4Edit is the Fallout 4 version of xEdit. xEdit is an advanced graphical module viewer/editor and conflict detector.

www.nexusmods.com

This is the best diagnostic and fixing tool most of us have available for this kind of thing.

Next mods like:
Insignificant Object Remover.esp are often suspicious to me. It's an old mod but normally not a problem mod we hear about.

Lastly, the long way of just starting a fresh game with SS2 and its requirements WSFW / Hudf and such.
Starting a new game being new clean "save."
Then using a systematic approach to enable the other mods "LATER" until you can find the combo causing the problem.
There isn't much in your LO that you MUST start a new game with it enabled.

I would start with the fewest mods possible and get to the point of the crash. Then enable the others in clusters of 2-5, checking them off as I go, and test if the crash happens / can be reproduced.

 

[zac115]

I don't use WATM so I am not the guy nor the advice you are looking for. Still, I will try to be some help. I know how frustrating it can be.
Honestly, the LO doesn't look bad to me.

I am a MM player.
I do use:

You and What Army - More Minutemen Patrols

Adds a proper progression to the Minutemen via patrols between your settlements. Defend the commonwealth against raiders and monsters alike, with the help of the minutemen!

www.nexusmods.com

and a handful of other mods to make my MM better.

Given it only takes one mod to toast a LO.
Sometimes it isn't just one mod but the combination. Or, other folks have a mod that you don't and that other mod overwrites the issue "fixing it for them" but not for you? Thus, users get stuck with a choice "this or that" or not using a mod that might otherwise is fine.

The first and only tool I can recommend given the countless mod combinations is:

FO4Edit

FO4Edit is the Fallout 4 version of xEdit. xEdit is an advanced graphical module viewer/editor and conflict detector.

www.nexusmods.com

This is the best diagnostic and fixing tool most of us have available for this kind of thing.

Next mods like:
Insignificant Object Remover.esp are often suspicious to me. It's an old mod but normally not a problem mod we hear about.

Lastly, the long way of just starting a fresh game with SS2 and its requirements WSFW / Hudf and such.
Starting a new game being new clean "save."
Then using a systematic approach to enable the other mods "LATER" until you can find the combo causing the problem.
There isn't much in your LO that you MUST start a new game with it enabled.

I would start with the fewest mods possible and get to the point of the crash. Then enable the others in clusters of 2-5, checking them off as I go, and test if the crash happens / can be reproduced.

Lastly, the long way of just starting a fresh game with SS2 and its requirements WSFW / Hudf and such.
Starting a new game being new clean "save."
Then using a systematic approach to enable the other mods "LATER" until you can find the combo causing the problem.
There isn't much in your LO that you MUST start a new game with it enabled.

I would start with the fewest mods possible and get to the point of the crash. Then enable the others in clusters of 2-5, checking them off as I go, and test if the crash happens / can be reproduced.

i did that last part a lot. i have a save that has no mods in the save file at all and i have a back up of it. so in my testing iv been using that copy then just loading up the save and going from there. as for doing them in a cluster i did this back 2 weeks ago. and it boiled down to WATM. what is odd about it is that the mod its self does not mess with very much from what the mod author has said. he blames it on SS2. i dont buy that tho. as the CTD only happens when going to concord. and when its off the problems stop. i also looked at buffout 4 but i dont think the info that it gave me is very useful as it just tells me that nvwgf2umx.dll stoped working. in my research i found this thread and im going to try this and see if it work later once it try what darkstar told me to do.

 

[zac115]

also what is the difference between MM and vortex do they function in different ways?

 

[zac115]

and nope put the mod at the end of the mod order does not fix it

 

[Ernesto]

WATM and SS2 have always worked well together. The usual problem is the combination with other mods.Consider activating WATM after leaving Concord or after taking The Castle, and then return to Concord to check if CDT still occurs.

BTW, I see that HudFramework is in an odd position in your loading order.

 

[zac115]

WATM and SS2 have always worked well together. The usual problem is the combination with other mods.Consider activating WATM after leaving Concord or after taking The Castle, and then return to Concord to check if CDT still occurs.

BTW, I see that HudFramework is in an odd position in your loading order.

ok ill go a head and play till i get the castle and see if that fixes it. as for the hud framework i thank you for the heads up ill go ahead and move it to the spot thanks ill report back once i get to that point in the game.