Has No One Been Cleaning - Including a Fallout 76 Rant

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  1. GA_Darkerside

    GA_Darkerside Housekeeping-Bless the Maid Staff Member Moderator Support Team

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    Hello Wasteland Wanders

    If been a while but I have noticed how no one has kept the place clean, but for a limited time, the Maid is back in town.

    I endeavour to keep this place as clean as my own home, however there I tend to burn everything, but that being said, please don't blame me if you computer goes up in smoke, that was his fault :giver:not mine :blum

    By the way, we are doing Christmas visits to my home, its very hot, we love a good barbeque (more like a spitroast) and I promise you, no one is ever left out, in my home, you will feel totally immersed.
     
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    RayBo Well-Known Member Patreon Supporter Community Rockstar

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    Good Lord, I was worried you might have left us for fallout 76?

    Super happy to see your back!

    oh, hahha hahahaha. I made sure to like your post.
     
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    Whisper Well-Known Member Community Rockstar Verified Builder

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    Nice to see the archiving happening again. :)
     
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    GA_Darkerside Housekeeping-Bless the Maid Staff Member Moderator Support Team

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    Its been a while and everything has got so dirty lol
     
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    GA_Darkerside Housekeeping-Bless the Maid Staff Member Moderator Support Team

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    Hmm Fallout 76, not sure thats for me, its not going down to well I have seen from the reviews lol
     
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    ^^^^This^^^^, In the beginning, I couldn't wait until release date to get my copy and then as the day approached and the beta reviews started rolling in. Then, came the diminished feelings, immediately following the release...:shok

    Generally, I won't say too much(anything) about a game I haven't actually played but after FO4(MODDED) having set the mantle so high, and after watching gameplay then reading the reviews, I'm pretty sure this one WON'T be touching my "Hard-D" without some engine shattering mods or price drops which would have to also be equally as or MORESO SHATTERING.:english
     
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    RayBo Well-Known Member Patreon Supporter Community Rockstar

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    hahahahaha, Juicehead kind of say's what you did. At least from the standpoint, the main reason to play Fallout 76 right now is to regain an appreciation for Fallout 4, and a modded game.

    Funnier yet! It took Fallout 76 and its Atomic Shop, to make Creation Club look great in comparison.


     
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    Juice threw down a Kicka** review w/ a Nice Video! EXCELLENT Psych' facts on the end too. (Thats my jam! LoL Psych) I also agree, BEST CC release thus far... I still need more consistency to win me over though...
     
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    GA_Darkerside Housekeeping-Bless the Maid Staff Member Moderator Support Team

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    Well I won't talk about Fallout 76, I promise I will not speak a word and I stand by my promises

    But of course I am typing though :blum

    When I first heard about Fallout 76, I thought wow, chance for Bethesda to learn from their mistakes and make something good, sort of a more refined Fallout 4 with lots of NCP's/Quests that you could play with friends (Of course, new map and quests lol). So my first idea was - Fallout 76 would be the kind of game to get people to work together, a chance to play a game with real people, like we were actually the last people on earth, I mean if I wanted to go round killing people for no good reason (I know we can debate over this part loads), I can play GTA or Battlefield etc, so why nukes? Maybe its just me........

    Why did I feel this way though? Hmmmm.... I have always felt that The Wasteland Wanders we are, are far more then the average gamer, we play for emmersion, a sense of depth and meaning, give us some parts, we will build something, give us a gun and we will defend ourselves, give us a quest and we will explore, survive, struggle but never give up. Now compare this to other games like GTA, give us a car, we will hit someone with it, give us a gun, we will shoot someone with it, give us a quest, we will ignore it and go kill some people, then complain and jump to a new session, because the last player we attacked was a better shot then us.

    Still an open mind should always remain open so I read review after review, watched live streams, chatted to some friends and so on, not taking one persons word, of two or.......... and came to this feeling or was it falling?? - it's not so much bug filled mess and engine issues, but the game feels totally directionless.

    I have played Fallout from the first and like many, we know Fallout 4 kind of lost its way, but thats when creators (Sorry I hate the term modder etc) joined and they made Fallout 4 better.

    Note: The least times I have repeatedly played a Fallout game is 4, the most is 9, so I can honestly say I am a fan.

    Fallout 76 is a huge open world, but open to what? Remove the huge list of bugs/graphical issues/glitches and what do you have left????

    Fallout (Owned/Played more then once)
    Fallout 2 (Owned/Played)
    Fallout 3 (Owned/Played more then once)

    Fallout: New Vegas (Owned/Played more then once) Due for another visit soon :)
    Fallout 4 (Owned/Played more then once) 7th Play through

    Not Forgetting
    The Elder Scrolls: Arena
    The Elder Scrolls Chapter II: Daggerfall (Owned/Played)
    The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Owned/Played more then once)
    The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (Owned/Played more then once)
    The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Owned/Played more then once)

    So I ask Fallout 76 - With all this past knowledge and success, What Happened ??????
     
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    Yeah those prices for skins are absolutely ridiculously high.

    Luckily I earned enough Atoms for both the Scarlet Sniper and Blackbird paintjob.

    That directionlessness comes from the story line being TOO open. I mean you can literally skip to ANY "chapter" in the story. I saw a level 14 in the Enclave bunker other day, lol.

    My first playthrough I played with friends and I ran all over the map here and there and the story sorta made sense. Not to offend but to some people it might not have made any sense at all if done out of order.

    My second play through I took my sweet ass time and did the proper order. Then I also took the time to read the terminals and stuff (because I wasn't being rushed by friends.) The story, setting, and lore made SOO much more sense.

    Flatwoods join Responders.
    Morgantown Responder advanced training.
    Charleston and join the Responder's elite The Fire Breathers.
    Follow Madigan's message to Top of the World.
    Take Madigan's tech to Abbey's bunker.
    Do the quest line for Abbey.
    Find the BOS and follow them to Glass Caverns.
    Find and join the Enclave to enable launching nukes.

    The lore in the holotapes and terminals is fantastic compared to previous games. My favorite is the Incident 5374 holotape in the Watoga Emergency Services.

    On the technical side the server stability is rough. . Basically the server are trying to run like 24 Fallout 4 on the server. So when Bethesda has some really unnecessary stuff it backs up the script and gives that instability. Someone told me Kingath mentioned the condition of the food that probably bogs the scripting. The easy way to avoid some of the stability issues is to play socially, as in play on the same server as friends so if you do disconnect you can reconnect to the same server.

    On the bugged quests and events. I have done three play throughs and there is one really minor quest that is bugged (miner's key to a non-existent footlocker) and maybe 3-4 events (Protest March, Swarm of Suitors 50%, Scorchbeast attack on Ammo plant ) out of a 100+ events that are bugged.

    PVP is just utterly inbalanced. So pretty much the same as most games. Hopefully rather than circle nerfing they just make PVP servers or they play it smart and cut player versus player damage down a % like most PVP games do, this way it dont interfere with PVE.

    Bethesda really did botch a lot of things but they also put an effort into fixing it. Weekly patches since release. Seriously when was the last time any developer did such a thing? Most big developers it is about a month before their first patch.

    The hate hype is going to reach a saturation point and explode and backfire on the YouTube ranters. Most likely starting with the lootbox rumor they started with lunchboxes being datamined. It is going to be fun watching them bottlecap mines blow up in their face when people start realizing they been played for their views and subscriptions.
     
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    GA_Darkerside Housekeeping-Bless the Maid Staff Member Moderator Support Team

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    I was going to write a huge long peice, well I did then deleted it....

    It simply, well for me boils down to a brilliant concept, rushed and with shortcuts. The Creation Engine is long past its due date, long long and lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng past it, rather like me.

    The funny thing I heard was, people stating the best Fallout game was New Vegas, although a different developer it did have a strong story and a real choice, I agree.

    I just expected more from Fallout 76. I hoped, with all the fallout and Elder Scrolls experience behind them and their mistakes laid bare to the world, that they would have learned.
     
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    GA_Darkerside Housekeeping-Bless the Maid Staff Member Moderator Support Team

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    I did write a long reply, but hit the wrong button and can't be bothered to rewrite it.

    Its simple for me and something I said before. I have played both Fallout and Elder Scrolls and I have loved them all, faults included. I do agree that Fallout New Vegus had one of the best stroy lines, but then that was a different developer, but you have to understand this...

    I am old and to me, Fallout 76 was a good concept, so it hit me harder when ytou chaulk up all the experience and knowledge under Bethesda's belt that they could have created something amazing, but they choose to use an Engine with an idea as old as me and as tired as me and rush it out.

    It hit harder as I would like to at least play one more Fallout before I die but one option I heard that did make me laugh and from a die hard fan, He thought he had brought a graphics book, "Oh look, more to read".
     
  13. SavageRock

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    Man this ^^^and some more of this^^^ please...

    I love Graphic Novels...When I WANT to READ... In the vein of your own thought process @GA_Darkerside , I am typically known for long drawn out pieces when I write on forums.

    Most of the time I read, re-read then Edit then edit some more, then delete, because I think no one wants or needs to hear ALL the noise I have rumbling in my head masquerading as coherent thought and translated/communicated as such (at least to me)...
    This far in you would have to believe that Bethesda would have said OK, we know what works and earns our brand a solid revenue stream, and we know what those ppl who have bought into the franchise via game purchases over the years have SCREAMED doesn't work so lets make something that gives at least a happy medium...
    It sounds like Bethesda didn't take that amount of consideration when they decided to push out ALL the noise in their developers' heads. But rather than do that in a complete and thorough fashion they instead chose to present for primetime an incomplete Brainstorm sheet of a game with ideas which only make sense to the ones at the brainstorming table or those who don't really have any idea of what could be possible with the history and following of their creation... That's before even considering what's possible with today's technology vs the antiquated and limited engine used in all their previous games Elder, Fallout series, etc.

    Based solely on what the reviewers like you are saying and what you have just stated above, it seems that they have instead decided to make a graphic novel, made into a digital game, and seemingly for Sh*^s and giggles also stripped it of most of what made its predecessor pleasurable, even with its flaws...

    So for me as I keep reading thorough reviews by trusted ppl. I get all the more turned off at the idea of FO76...

    If I can't get a deep discount to justify the purchase, this one will probably never make it to my collection...

    There is my rant is all its uncensored & non-glorious magnitude...:heat

    P.S.
    Bring on more Mods for the old go-to FO4 and New Vegas, it looks like there will be more playthroughs happening for the foreseeable future...:search:search
     
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    GA_Darkerside Housekeeping-Bless the Maid Staff Member Moderator Support Team

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    Thank you for that nice piece of writing and I mean that sincerely.

    I am by far the opposite of a complainer and I don't follow the crowd, but I do listen and still love to learn.

    So lets bring in something i don't normally do, comparisons - i.e. Map Sizes,
    Fallout 4’s map is around 111km2
    GTA V’s map is 127km2.
    Fallout 76 map will be roughly 444km2

    Maybe they went a little to big with not enough idea's to fill it, lets just hope that two things happen, they turn it around. If you look at GTA online version and how long it lasted, maybe the size of the map is not as important as the content?
     
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    CORRECT!! Too Much Space and not enough happening. This becomes the case when the open world guys go crazy and the Coders get ???LAZY?? im no complainer i couldnt have coded this game....(Although I can trouble-shoot and repair the machines/networks its running on) Ill also provide them with a solid risk analysis and mitigation strategies for when the uber-geeks get pissed and attack the servers out of boredom from wandering around aimlessly in game.:rtfm

    With that formula Beth is using, You simply end up wandering around making screenshots of the AMAZING scenery and not nearly enough time being immersed in gameplay...

    We KNOW the engine is capable of fairly stunning visuals. But we ALSO KNOW that the same engine begins to bog down and glitch out when they attempt to fill it with gameplay that matches the scenery...
    So to a non-code writing Fan, the solution would simply be to work UP from the previous model, while using higher processing caps to match today's' equipment and capabilities. I mean right, Right???
    NOPE Apparently, from what I hear the answer was instead, Nahhhh boys lets keep the SAME engine and just add more subtitles and story. Then we can avoid the bog downs and glitchiness by including fewer gameplay mechanics #FTW !!! :shok1
     
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    **Side note** Also an avid GTA franchise follower. I have an OG acct there.
     
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    Hahaha

     
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    GA_Darkerside Housekeeping-Bless the Maid Staff Member Moderator Support Team

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    And i will be first in line to buy this.

    We all know that it was Obisdian that drove Fallout/New Vegas and the story lines forward.

    I spent a couple of hours looking into Bethesda (I only did it because I really didn't have 2 hours spare) and as much as I am a fan (and I truely am) their current heading, i.e. meta scores and financial standing, reusing a very tired engine etc make me wonder if they will survive, especially if they keep "Tod Howard - Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies", as part of the company.

    Obisdian were the people who drove the story and no matter what anyone would like to argue, New Vegas was heavily story driven where the choices you made affected the outcome, I love fallout 4 but lets be honest, the story in Fallout 4 doesn't exactly drive you, nor does it affect the outcome as much.

    Fallout 4 - 4 (Based on maybe 1 decission)
    or
    New Vegas - Possible 27 (Based on decissions made as you play THROUGH the game)
    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_endings

    We know that New Vegas was rushed but then that was down to Bethseda.

    I could go on forever, but my thoughts are, This game is serously in my sights, because if they go by the past, then it should be a great game with a great story, lets hope :)
     

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