Flotsam Plots Don't Appear

[archbane]

Hello,

Issue: After installing the new Flotsam Add-On, I don't see any of the plots as options in any of the plot categories (Agriculture, Industrial, etc). I have virtually all the other Sim Settlement Add-Ons, and they seem to work fine, including Uituit's own Junk Town.

Troubleshooting: Here's things I've already tried:
* Uninstall, reinstall through a manual download (as opposed to NMM)
* Unintsall, reinstall Sim Settlements (core) as a manual download
* Disable all other Sim Settlement Add-Ons
* Reinstall "Mega Pack of the Year" Add-On
* Install "Industrial Revolution" (I don't normally play with the advanced plots)
* Install "Rise of the Commonwealth" (another one I don't use)

DISCLAIMER #1:
I use a lot of mods, including a lot of player-made Settlements (see the list below) so this whole problem is probably my fault I tend to avoid using Sim Settlement plots in most of these custom settlements, but I've done so with 2 or 3 of them.
* Settlemods by M0Ds1984
* Nuka-World Settlements by Jackapoint
* Far-Harbor Settlement Pack by TaxiVader
* Reeb Marina, Mystic Pines, and University Point by Tarsis31
* General Atomics Gallerina Settlements by Ragoda

DISCLAIMER #2:
* Right around the 3.16 update, I lost the use of my Sim Settlements HUD (My companion status HUD still works). I tried to reload things to no avail, and wrote it off as a potential bug of the new version (but even with the latest update, it's still not working)
* My "Town Gavel" item also doesn't work since that update (it always thinks I'm outside of my city limits, regardless of settlement).
* (Right around that update I had a lot of other issues, like Plots not working until I reset them... but everything else is now working and seems to have stabilized)

Thanks for any help or insight!

 

[kinggath]

Do the plans from Floatsam show up in the desk drawer of the City Planner’s Desk?

If not, I’d suggest confirming the mod is checked in on the in-game Load Order screen. I’ll tag @uituit as well in case he has any insight.

 

[archbane]

Thank you for the reply!
I checked the City Planner's Desk, but I'm not seeing them there. I tried a "Reset All", but that didn't change it.
I also confirmed in my Mods list that it was enabled.

Also, just to verify I'm not simply blind as a bat, what is the name of one of the plots that should appear in, say "Agricultural"?

 

[uituit]

My farm plots are Fish Farm and fishing boat. The tag is [FJ]
all my plots are player select only but I don't think that wud stop them appering

I'm stumped
I have the Nuka world settlement pack as well so it cant be that
On my test pc which is crappy ive been able to build my plots

Can you post your load order? maybe someone can see if tehres a problem with that .

 

[archbane]

Thanks for taking the time to look at this, I really appreciate it!
Here's my (absurd) list of mods:
0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
8 8 SpringCleaning.esm
9 9 ACS Master.esm
10 a ArmorKeywords.esm
11 b CROSS_CosmeticFramework.esm
12 c Retro_Style.esm
13 d EthreonMasterPlan.esm
14 e VotWMaster.esm
15 f SOMaster.esm
16 10 HUDFramework.esm
17 11 SimSettlements.esm
18 12 Games.esm
19 13 BarstoolGames.esm
254 FE 0 AutoEat.esl
254 FE 1 DDClean.esl
254 FE 2 Canopies.esl
254 FE 3 ConduitFloors.esl
254 FE 4 MakeshiftBattery.esl
254 FE 5 SolidSNK_CLOTHES.esl
254 FE 6 RadiationProtectorESL.esl
254 FE 7 AMS.esl
20 14 JC-Shirt and Jeans.esp
21 15 ACS Paintings.esp
22 16 ABP Paintings.esp
23 17 VC_BetterWorkshopLightsComplete_Shadows.esp
24 18 CommonwealthSurvivalist.esp
25 19 LFPAA - Nuka World - 5m-7m.esp
26 1a LFPAA - Nuka World - Silence.esp
27 1b LFPAA - School - 5m-7m.esp
28 1c LFPAA - Subway - 5m-7m.esp
29 1d Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp
30 1e Femsheppings Minimalist Homewares.esp
31 1f FunctionalDisplays-Collectibles.esp
32 20 FunctionalDisplays.esp
33 21 dinoshelf.esp
34 22 dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp
35 23 dinoshelf_retex.esp
36 24 Automatron_Voice_Modules.esp
37 25 ProvisionerSupplyContainers.esp
38 26 WorkingTableLamps.esp
39 27 BetterLowHealth.esp
40 28 Binary Speech Checks V.4.esp
41 29 FO4Hotkeys.esp
42 2a SettlementMenuManager.esp
43 2b BPB_Both_NR.esp
44 2c Nuka World Bot Fixes.esp
45 2d ScrapThatMisc.esp
46 2e GunPosters.esp
47 2f Vault-tec brighter lights.esp
48 30 IcebreakerCDO-Settlements.esp
49 31 deadly wasteland.esp
50 32 Armorsmith Extended.esp
51 33 clothingoverhaul.esp
52 34 Crimsomrider's 1950s Feminine Outfits.esp
53 35 ClothingOverhaulSP_XB1_PC.esp
54 36 BusySettlers.esp
55 37 Tougher Synths 90% 2.esp
56 38 Colored Workshop Lights.esp
57 39 mso_sms.esp
58 3a SettleObjExpandPack.esp
59 3b SnapBeds.esp
60 3c Skip DIMA memories.esp
61 3d RadioEnhanced_1.1.esp
62 3e 10mmSMG.esp
63 3f CarryWeight500.esp
64 40 CarryWeight50Strength.esp
65 41 DLCRobotsExtra.esp
66 42 Omnidirectional PA Headlamps.esp
67 43 Curiedefault{ms.vault111}.esp
68 44 BhaalsPowerArmorSpawn200.esp
69 45 CBBE.esp
70 46 DX Commonwealth Mini Dresses.esp
71 47 DX Commonwealth Shorts.esp
72 48 DX Vault Girl Shorts.esp
73 49 CROSS_Gear.esp
74 4a NukaGirlSuitEdit.esp
75 4b Armorsmith All DLCs Patch.esp
76 4c Classic Combat Armor.esp
77 4d VendorVariety.esp
78 4e SC_ExpandedScrapList.esp
79 4f Tactical Flashlights.esp
80 50 Tactical Flashlights - Settings.esp
81 51 Armorsmith Extended NightVision.esp
82 52 XnjguyFilledMods_AIO.esp
83 53 AA LMSE_FarHarbor.esp
84 54 KingsPaintings.esp
85 55 ZerasPaintings.esp
86 56 Maritime Paintings.esp
87 57 SpawnSettlerButton.esp
88 58 Crimsomrider's Transparent Cleanroom Suit.esp
89 59 BorderJunk.esp
90 5a PIPOD_StaticRadio.esp
91 5b th1nkEyebot.esp
92 5c th1nkEyeBot-FarHarbor.esp
93 5d th1nkEyeBot-NukaWorld.esp
94 5e th1nkEyeBot-DLC03DLC04Addon.esp
95 5f th1nkEyeBot-CheatRecipes.esp
96 60 th1nkEyebot-WeightlessMiscMods.esp
97 61 SLR.esp
98 62 WastelandBillboards.esp
99 63 Boats.esp
100 64 Return of the Rangemaster.esp
101 65 SkibsWeapons-REDUX.esp
102 66 Nuka World Bottle Fix.esp
103 67 Saloon Girl.esp
104 68 HZS Office and Stores.esp
105 69 nuka_world_settlements_scrap_addon.esp
106 6a AdvSettleTurretSet-Real.esp
107 6b ModularVaultSuit.esp
108 6c Farming Resources.esp
109 6d Prepare for the Future.esp
110 6e NukaWorld.esp
111 6f R91AssaultRifle.esp
112 70 EvilViking13_MinutemenMorale.esp
113 71 TERANurseUniform.esp
114 72 MusicMergedDLC.esp
115 73 Settlement_Markers.esp
116 74 SKKCombatStalkers.esp
117 75 GruffyddsSignsAndPosters.esp
118 76 SignsOfTheTimesCategorized.esp
119 77 BarstoolGames_FH.esp
120 78 BarstoolGames_NW.esp
121 79 SkjAlert_All_DLC.esp
122 7a HZS Easy Homebuilder and Working Double Beds.esp
123 7b Wasteland Clothing Pack.esp
124 7c IndustrialCity_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp
125 7d woodysWastelandStuff.esp
126 7e 200-Far-Harbor-Customs.esp
127 7f Murkwater.esp
128 80 MojaveImports.esp
129 81 RaiderOverhaul.esp
130 82 MoreOutfitVariations.esp
131 83 Enhanced Commonwealth Wardrobe.esp
132 84 HatswithHair.esp
133 85 DCGuardOutfitOverride.esp
134 86 Snappy_HouseK.esp
135 87 NewRecipesFH.esp
136 88 ComicCollector.esp
137 89 FunctionalDisplays-MISC-Vanilla.esp
138 8a FunctionalDisplays-Patch-DLC-ALL.esp
139 8b chem redux.esp
140 8c Reeb Marina Settlement.esp
141 8d RPHSettlement.esp
142 8e FaceMaxson.esp
143 8f HomePlateWorkshopSettlement.esp
144 90 HAIA With Crafting.esp
145 91 MassFusionsContainmeantShed.esp
146 92 SettlementOfDarkHollowPond.esp
147 93 Firelance2.5.esp
148 94 SuperMutantOverhaul.esp
149 95 FunctionalDisplays-AID-WI.esp
150 96 Snappy_DLC03.esp
151 97 Superior Energy-Weapons.esp
152 98 fco - fully customizable outfits.esp
153 99 fco - crafting recipes.esp
154 9a Retro_Style_World_Distribution.esp
155 9b g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp
156 9c AnotherBrickInTheWall.esp
157 9d YM_CF_Outfits.esp
158 9e Altairp's Animal Farm.esp
159 9f SimSettlements_AddOnPack_AwsomeTown.esp
160 a0 functionalobjects_vanilla.esp
161 a1 3DNPC_FO4Settler.esp
162 a2 Mercenary.esp
163 a3 WattzLaserGun.esp
164 a4 Housekeeping.esp
165 a5 Vendor.esp
166 a6 LAER.esp
167 a7 Ephla's Unique - Baseball Caps.esp
168 a8 Driveable Motorcycle Mod.esp
169 a9 FO4 NPCs Travel.esp
170 aa ruined_simsettlement_addonpack.esp
171 ab ohSIM_Sim_Settlements_Scrappers_Addon.esp
172 ac JunkTown.esp
173 ad llamaCompanionHeather.esp
174 ae SimSettlementsAddOnPack - RaiderRefugees.esp
175 af PipPOD.esp
176 b0 SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
177 b1 AtomicRadio.esp
178 b2 WVSimSAddon.esp
179 b3 CWSS Redux.esp
180 b4 llamaCompanionHeather-VIS Patch.esp
181 b5 fco - leveled list.esp
182 b6 Clothing Of The Commonwealth.esp
183 b7 Glasses Galore.esp
184 b8 MMMFO4.esp
185 b9 My_Minutemen.esp
186 ba AA Lots More Settlers and Enemies.esp
187 bb SimHomestead.esp
188 bc CabinInTheWoods.esp
189 bd VotWSpecialVideos.esp
190 be cVc Dead Wasteland.esp
191 bf SolarPower.esp
192 c0 AA LMSE_WATM_Patch.esp
193 c1 Jacket.esp
194 c2 LARR.esp
195 c3 Crafting Mastery - All DLC Eammo Clut Rep AE.esp
196 c4 No Nuka World Requirements Madnes.esp
197 c5 Fire Behavior No Crippling DLC.esp
198 c6 NPC's Use Grenades.esp
199 c7 SalvageBeacons.esp
200 c8 OWR_BBB.esp
201 c9 SimSettlements_AddOnPack_SimTowers_JtBryant.esp
202 ca SS MegaPackOneYear-Previews.esp
203 cb SimSettlements Previews Newest.esp
204 cc RaiderOverhaulUnleveled.esp
205 cd UitFJ.esp
206 ce CompanionStatus.esp
207 cf settlemods_collection105.esp
208 d0 MysticPinesRetirementSettlement.esp
209 d1 nuka_world_settlements.esp
210 d2 NUKA_WORLD_SETTLEMENTS_DECAL_ADDON.esp
211 d3 3DNPC_FO4.esp
212 d4 ThicketSettlement.esp
213 d5 AtomCatsSettlement.esp
214 d6 UniversityPointSettlementSPE.esp
215 d7 nuka_world_settlements_no_combined.esp
216 d8 GAGSettlement.esp
217 d9 3DNPC_FO4_DLC.esp
218 da CREAtiveClutter.esp
219 db Vivid Fallout - All in One - Best Choice.esp
220 dc AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
221 dd Creative Perks (everything).esp
222 de SurvivalOptions.esp
223 df SpringCleaningCompatibilityPatch.esp

 

[uituit]

I just don't know

the long method is to turn half your mods(not SS ) of and see wat happens ,if you turn half of and flotsam stars working u know u have a mod conflict. This will take a while to do .
But make sure you have a hard save to get back to.

Did you ever get ur HUD to work again?

 

[archbane]

Thanks again for looking!
I'll let you know if I can find the conflict.
And no, I never got my HUD working again - that seems to be related to the issue I'm having where I can't use the Town Gavel. I may have some kind of workshop confusion going on, probably because I have so many settlements.

 

[uituit]

how many settlements do u have? no idea if that wud do anything.
hmm are u using version 1.1 of flotsam? version one had a spelling mistake in its name but that should prevent it from showing up.

 

[archbane]

I'm using the latest version.
I've unlocked about 65 settlements (I may have a settlement addiction problem! )

I'm only using Sim Settlements on about a dozen so far, though.

 

[uituit]

ah hehe 65
Kinggath had 1000 plots going so I don't think its that
try the half and half thing , to be honest I just don't know why its not working for you

 

[kinggath]

He's saying 65 settlements, not 65 plots - so that could definitely be part of it. Your workshop scripts are probably working like dogs.

If you can still assign settlers, that can at least confirm your workshop scripts aren't locked up - which would definitely require intervention in your save file. I'd suggest loading your save in Fallrim Tools to see what the ActiveScripts look like. If you have more than 10, it's likely you'll need to let them catch up for a bit - possibly even terminate some.

 

[archbane]

Looks like I have 6 active scripts.

And yeah, I can assign settlers, recruit new ones, and all the other SS plots I have are working normally. Something is definitely confused, though, since I lost the Settlement HUD and the "Gather Around" feature of the town gavel/city planner tells me I'm out of my city's boundaries (regardless of settlement or location I try)

 

[archbane]

Update...
So I ended up disabling all my Mods except for HUD Framework, SS and FJ, but again no change.
Then I decided to go back to a MUUUCH earlier save in this play-thru (about 9 hours into the game), and voila, I got my HUD back and all the FJ plots appeared!
Then I re-enabled all my mods and loaded that same early save, and boom, I lost the FJ plots again. So I'm going to try to narrow down now which Mod broke it... but it looks like it's already messed up my save data.

 

[uituit]

ugh gonna be a long process for you
but finding what broke your HUD wud be great as well as getting FJ working

the gather around says that in some custom settlements that havnt been configured to use sim settlements,
maybe that could be the cause of your problems, one of your settlement mods may be broken in some way.
I know neehers work fine ( I used his tuts from my waterworld) . I have nuka world one as well but havnt built there but it conflects with a clear water mod for some reason.

 

[archbane]

You guys are awesome, thanks so much for helping me troubleshoot this!

So after lots of save/reloads, I found when it broke, but it didn't seem necessarily associated with any one particular mod.

It was on April 7, and I think it was right after some big updates. I remember after I'd updated, a lot of my plots had reset themselves, but I just ran around and re-selected plots and afterward, everything seemed good... so I just wrote it off as a quirk of the update. What I should have noticed was that my HUD screen also stopped working *and* none of my plots were leveling past Level 1 after that.

So I'll just go back and continue from April 7 and keep a close eye on the HUD, since it seems to be a good marker for whether or not the scripts are loading... unless either of you knows a way I can re-"jump-start" the scripts on my current save.

 

[uituit]

F & J plots are showing up for you now?
hehe I just build stuff, so kinggath knows more about scripts