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Solved CTD with some building in Mega Pack Year 2

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eldahar

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Hi everybody,

maybe someone has seen something similiar, so I'm posting here. When I try to visit Sanctuary I get a CTD. I have disabled nearly all Sim Settlements add-on packs (but IDEKs Logistics) and the error went away. I narrowed it down to Mega Pack Year 2. As soon as I remove that mod from the list, I don't get a CTD anymore. Even when enabling all other Add-On Packs. I unfortunately cannot say which building in particular is problematic because it crashes, but I can provide the savegame, so somebody is probably able to help or guide me through it. I experienced something similiar with AltairPs Animal Farm. That seems to be confirmed by other users on Nexus page.

It certainly could be a unique problem since my game is heavily modded and has lots of progress in it. So I might broke it at another point.

Thanks in advance and let me know if some info is missing.
 
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I don't mean to sound like a jackass but comments on nexus are not confirmation of anything. Problems/bugs get confirmed here, where they get teased out/tested.

How many settlers do you have in Sanctuary, Red Rocket and Abernathy. If using city plans what level are the plans at for those settlements?

Show us your loadorder.
 
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Hi Phil_T_Casual,

thanks for your answer. I currently don't use any city plans at Red Rocket (12 Settlers) or Sanctuary (24 Settlers). Only Abernathy Farm is using Simple Abernathy Farm by James Bowen with currently 8 Settlers on level 0.

My Load Order is as follows:

0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
254 FE 0 ccbgsfo4001-pipboy(black).esl
254 FE 1 ccbgsfo4002-pipboy(blue).esl
254 FE 2 ccbgsfo4003-pipboy(camo01).esl
254 FE 3 ccbgsfo4004-pipboy(camo02).esl
254 FE 4 ccbgsfo4006-pipboy(chrome).esl
254 FE 5 ccbgsfo4012-pipboy(red).esl
254 FE 6 ccbgsfo4014-pipboy(white).esl
254 FE 7 ccbgsfo4005-bluecamo.esl
254 FE 8 ccbgsfo4020-powerarmorskin(black).esl
254 FE 9 ccbgsfo4025-powerarmorskin(chrome).esl
254 FE a ccbgsfo4033-powerarmorskinwhite.esl
254 FE b ccbgsfo4024-pacamo03.esl
254 FE c ccbgsfo4038-horsearmor.esl
254 FE d ccfsvfo4001-modularmilitarybackpack.esl
254 FE e ccfsvfo4002-midcenturymodern.esl
254 FE f cceejfo4001-decorationpack.esl
7 7 ccrzrfo4001-tunnelsnakes.esm
254 FE 10 ccbgsfo4045-advarccab.esl
254 FE 11 ccfsvfo4003-slocum.esl
254 FE 12 ccgcafo4001-factionws01army.esl
254 FE 13 ccgcafo4002-factionws02acat.esl
254 FE 14 ccgcafo4003-factionws03bos.esl
254 FE 15 ccgcafo4004-factionws04gun.esl
254 FE 16 ccgcafo4005-factionws05hrpink.esl
254 FE 17 ccgcafo4007-factionws07hrflames.esl
254 FE 18 ccgcafo4008-factionws08inst.esl
254 FE 19 ccgcafo4009-factionws09mm.esl
254 FE 1a ccgcafo4010-factionws10rr.esl
254 FE 1b ccgcafo4011-factionws11vt.esl
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254 FE 1e ccgcafo4014-factionas03gun.esl
254 FE 1f ccgcafo4015-factionas04hrpink.esl
254 FE 20 ccgcafo4017-factionas06inst.esl
254 FE 21 ccgcafo4018-factionas07mm.esl
254 FE 22 ccgcafo4020-factionas09rr.esl
254 FE 23 ccgcafo4022-factionas11vt.esl
254 FE 24 ccgcafo4023-factionas12army.esl
254 FE 25 ccawnfo4001-brandedattire.esl
8 8 ccswkfo4001-astronautpowerarmor.esm
254 FE 26 ccswkfo4002-pipnuka.esl
254 FE 27 ccswkfo4003-pipquan.esl
254 FE 28 ccbgsfo4053-dggoldr.esl
254 FE 29 ccbgsfo4056-dglabb.esl
254 FE 2a ccbgsfo4036-trnsdg.esl
254 FE 2b ccrzrfo4004-pipinst.esl
254 FE 2c ccbgsfo4062-pippat.esl
254 FE 2d ccrzrfo4003-pipover.esl
254 FE 2e ccfrsfo4002-antimaterielrifle.esl
254 FE 2f cceejfo4002-nuka.esl
254 FE 30 ccbgsfo4073-pipmman.esl
254 FE 31 ccbgsfo4076-pipmystery.esl
254 FE 32 ccbgsfo4078-pipreily.esl
254 FE 33 ccbgsfo4008-pipgrn.esl
254 FE 34 ccbgsfo4015-pipyell.esl
254 FE 35 ccbgsfo4009-piporan.esl
254 FE 36 ccbgsfo4011-pippurp.esl
254 FE 37 ccbgsfo4021-powerarmorskinblue.esl
254 FE 38 ccbgsfo4027-powerarmorskingreen.esl
254 FE 39 ccbgsfo4034-powerarmorskinyellow.esl
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254 FE 3b ccbgsfo4031-powerarmorskinred.esl
254 FE 3c ccbgsfo4030-powerarmorskinpurple.esl
254 FE 3d ccbgsfo4032-powerarmorskintan.esl
254 FE 3e ccbgsfo4029-powerarmorskinpink.esl
254 FE 3f ccbgsfo4013-piptan.esl
254 FE 40 ccbgsfo4010-pippnk.esl
254 FE 41 ccsbjfo4001-solarflare.esl
9 9 cczsef04001-bhouse.esm
10 a cctosfo4001-neosky.esm
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254 FE 43 ccbgsfo4063-papat.esl
254 FE 44 ccqdrfo4001_powerarmorai.esl
254 FE 45 ccbgsfo4048-dovah.esl
254 FE 46 ccrzrfo4002-disintegrate.esl
254 FE 47 ccbgsfo4035-pint.esl
254 FE 48 ccjvdfo4001-holiday.esl
11 b Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
12 c ArmorKeywords.esm
13 d HUDFramework.esm
254 FE 49 Yagisan_SSSL_Lakeside_Cabin_Settlement.esl
14 e SimSettlements.esm
254 FE 4a SimpleAbernathyFarm.esl
254 FE 4b SimpleStarlightDrivein.esl
254 FE 4c SimpleSanctuary.esl
254 FE 4d SimpleRedRocket.esl
254 FE 4e SimpleTenpinesBluff.esl
254 FE 4f BostonAirportCityPlan.esl
15 f EthreonMasterPlan.esm
254 FE 50 Loot Detector.esl
254 FE 51 OP_CCNoirPenthouseFullSettlement.esl
254 FE 52 OP_CCNuCafeOlaFullSettlement.esl
254 FE 53 OP_HomePlateFullSettlement.esl
254 FE 54 OP_NoirPenthouseNavmeshFix.esl
254 FE 55 SimSettlements_IDEKsLogisticsStation.esl
16 10 WorkshopFramework.esm
254 FE 56 Yagisan_SSCP_Nu_Cafe_Ola_Supply_Centre.esl
254 FE 57 CROSS_CoA.esl
17 11 TrueStormsFO4.esm
254 FE 58 OP_CCCharlestownCondoFullSettlement.esl
254 FE 59 Yagisan_SSCP_Vault_111_Medical_Centre.esl
254 FE 5a ARB.esl
254 FE 5b Yagisan_SSCP_Spectacle_Island_Training_and_Supply_Centre.esl
18 12 SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries.esp
19 13 USP 45.esp
20 14 WVSimSAddon.esp
21 15 ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion-VanillaWeight.esp
22 16 Armorsmith Extended.esp
23 17 BostonFPSFixAIO.esp
24 18 BTInteriors_Project.esp
25 19 VanillaExtensions.esp
26 1a WorkshopRearranged.esp
27 1b Unique NPCs.esp
28 1c WorkshopRearranged_DEFUI+VIS_Patch.esp
29 1d 3DNPC_FO4.esp
clean & smooth - abernathy farm.esp
30 1e MojaveImports.esp
31 1f UniversityPointSettlementSPE.esp
32 20 MYSTIC PINES.esp
254 FE 5c Yagisan_SSSL_Lakeside_Cabin_Settlement_Generic_Patch.esp
33 21 Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp
34 22 BetterSettlers.esp
35 23 W.A.T.Minutemen.esp
36 24 SettlementVault111.esp
37 25 WattzSettlement.esp
38 26 MilitarizedMinutemen.esp
39 27 3DNPC_FO4_DLC.esp
40 28 3DNPC_FO4Settler.esp
41 29 g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp
42 2a SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearTwo.esp
43 2b InstituteSettlements.esp
44 2c WorkshopRearranged_NukaCollector_Patch.esp
45 2d VFXAddon.esp
46 2e WorkshopRearranged_ArcadeCabinets_Patch.esp
47 2f SimSettlements CaptLaserBeam Jampads.esp
48 30 SimSettlements_AddOnPack_AwsomeTown.esp
49 31 SS_AddOn_CbC_AIO.esp
50 32 F4NV-AMR.esp
51 33 F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp
52 34 LAER.esp
53 35 ellen.esp
54 36 P99.esp
55 37 1FOM_FireAxe.esp
56 38 mso_sms.esp
57 39 dinomore.esp
58 3a AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
59 3b BetterCompanions.esp
60 3c EasyHacking.esp
61 3d Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
62 3e Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp
63 3f Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp
64 40 Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
65 41 Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp
66 42 Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp
67 43 Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp
68 44 LongerPowerLines3x.esp
69 45 OCDecorator.esp
70 46 OCDecoratorDLC.esp
71 47 OCDispenser.esp
72 48 OP_CCCharlestownCondoExtraObjects.esp
73 49 QuickHarvest.esp
74 4a SettlementMenuManager.esp
75 4b Snappy_HouseK.esp
76 4c Snappy_DLC03.esp
77 4d WDP-PC.esp
78 4e PD_LowerWeapon.esp
79 4f CriticalHitsOutsideofVATS.esp
80 50 TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
81 51 TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp
82 52 RustDevilRedux.esp
83 53 Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp
84 54 More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
85 55 Swinging Meat Bags.esp
86 56 DV-Deadly Vertibirds.esp
87 57 DV-Armored Pilots.esp
88 58 DV-No Levelled Vertibirds.esp
89 59 CBBE.esp
90 5a Passthrough.esp
91 5b WorkshopRearranged_BTInteriors+DEFUI_Patch.esp
92 5c WorkshopRearranged_DecorationsPack_Patch.esp
93 5d WorkshopRearranged_DinoDecor_Patch.esp
94 5e WorkshopRearranged_MasterPlan_Patch.esp
95 5f WorkshopRearranged_MidCentury_Patch.esp
96 60 WorkshopRearranged_SlocumsJoe_Patch.esp
97 61 Glock86.esp
98 62 Snappy_DLC_Scrap.esp
99 63 PowerArmorHoarder.esp
100 64 BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
101 65 BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp
102 66 BetterSettlersMortalSoldiersPack.esp
103 67 VIS-G We Are The Minutemen.esp
254 FE 5d CROSS_BrotherhoodRecon.esp
104 68 Facials.esp
105 69 Unique NPCs FarHarbor.esp
106 6a WorkshopPlus.esp
107 6b Scavvers of the Commonwealth.esp
108 6c Eli_NukaPatch.esp
109 6d JunkTown.esp
110 6e KURO.esp
111 6f F4NVServiceRifleRedux_AWKCR.esp
112 70 LAER Automatron Weapons.esp
113 71 LAER-Armorsmith_Patch.esp
114 72 3DNPC_FO4Settler_SimSettlements.esp
115 73 ValdacilsItemSorting - WastelandImports TAGS.esp
116 74 ScrapDeadThings.esp
117 75 CREAtiveClutter.esp
118 76 dinoshelf.esp
119 77 dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp
120 78 ruined_simsettlement_addonpack.esp
121 79 ohSIM_Sim_Settlements_Scrappers_Addon.esp
122 7a UitFJ.esp
123 7b SimHomestead.esp
124 7c SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
125 7d Kraggles - Structures.esp
126 7e NoirPenthouseWorkshop.esp
254 FE 5e SolarPower.esp
127 7f Thematic and Practical.esp
128 80 TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp
129 81 TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp
130 82 IndustrialCity_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp
131 83 3dscopes-ccamr.esp
132 84 3dscopes-servicerifle.esp
133 85 3dscopes-usp.esp
134 86 3dscopes.esp
135 87 LegendaryModification.esp
136 88 LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp
137 89 legendarymodification VIS.esp
138 8a LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp
139 8b Evan_Modular Kitchen.esp
140 8c EvilViking13_PatchworkSanctuaryBridge.esp
141 8d HuntingRevolver.esp
142 8e WM Chinese Assault Rifle - Standalone.esp
143 8f HangarFix.esp
144 90 SalvageBeacons.esp
145 91 MJC_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp
146 92 RS_Sim_AddOn.esp
147 93 SimSettlements_Addon_VaultLand.esp
148 94 SimSettlements_AddOnPack_IntimateSpaces_SirLach.esp
149 95 ss_addon_pbpp.esp
150 96 SSAOP_SamutzVault88.esp

Thanks again!
 
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Oh boy that's a lot of CC content.
With that load order you are going to run into problems. Disabling the Y2 mega pack is not an indication that it is the problem, it's just that it removed some of the load off the game engine which has allowed you to continue, for now.
No going to lie, this is going to be very difficult to solve.

Start by adding this to your Fallout4Custom.ini

[Papyrus]
fUpdateBudgetMS=2.4
fExtraTaskletBudgetMS=2.4
iMinMemoryPageSize=256
iMaxMemoryPageSize=1024
iMaxAllocatedMemoryBytes=307200

Next, reduce the population in Sanctuary down to 15 and consider that number a hard cap for all other settlements throughout this playthrough.
 
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@GA_Darkerside Thanks for your suggestions. The guide was really interesting and gave a clue or two regarding things to remember next playthrough. I usually use LOOT all the time, especially since it is used internally by Vortex afaik. I'll try to move the patch up in the load order manually.

@Phil_T_Casual Thanks for your suggestions, too. I already modified the Fallout4Custom.ini for performance reasons earlier. So I will try reducing settlers for now and see if it makes for a more stable experience.

I already was quite surprised that I made it to ~10 realtime days without fatally messing up my game.
 
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I have zero experience of it myself, but just from what I gather there are quite a few problematic CC mods. I'm not saying that any of them in your loadorder are the problem but in future playthroughs if there is a nexus alternative it's better to go with that.
 
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Honestly, you're going to have a hard time to find the root cause of the ctd you face - you may well have to write the game off completely and start over, because even if you find the root cause - removing a mod mid play through does nothing except break the game.
if you start over, i'd adopt the following policy - this is based on my own experience of game breaking things;

1. remove ALL creation club content. It's really not worth it. So many issues have come about because of that stuff. The Tunnel Snakes mod did, at one time, break the first quest in the game when you meet Codsworth and go around Sanctuary killing flies - so much for better QA on that one. That issue may have been fixed, I know not, I removed all the creation club content i had when I found this to be the culprit and never downloaded another thing.
2. ensure that the UFO4P patch loads directly after the game and DLC masters.
3. If you're going to build santuary/red rocket/abernathy - build them small. Don't use city plans for them at all.
4. Limit the number of settlers in those settlements max 15 - but i tend to stop around 12 in sanctuary, 6 or 7 in red rocket and 15 in abernathy. i never go over those settler limits simply because this area is a mess and you will get some pretty bad script lag.
5. limit the number of sim settlements plots in red rocket. it's a small settlement, you can get by with some prefabs and some beds placed manually. it can suffer because if you build up sanctuary and abernathy there's some pretty nasty script lag due to the close proximity of these settlements to each other.
6. awkcr - supposed to be a 'framework' - to me it's just bloatware and very unstable bloatware at that. instead of doing one thing and doing it well, more and more features get added to it and it's constantly being patched and repatched and patched some more. i removed it from my game when they disavowed all support for problems if you use vortex. Having removed it, i have a much more stable game experience. i value longevity of play though over loads of half-baked ideas that cause more ctd's than enhanced gameplay.
you may want to look at removing valdacil's sorting. afaik that mod hasn't been updated for a long time and was superceded by vis-g.
that's my suggestions to you in terms of reducing your modlist and hopefully giving you a more stable game as a result.
 
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@1ae0bfb8 Thank you too, for your suggestions. I'll keep those in mind for my next playthrough. I wasn't aware of a newer version of VIS, so thanks for that. Regarding AWKCR, I think I can go without it just fine, so I will give it a try. Even if it means that some mods are not usable due to missing dependency.
 
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There was a post and I think videos on some CC items causing issues

Creation Club Issues

This was a very lengthy chat with @zzzspina where it came down to a few CC mods causing issues and our member was kind enough to make a couple of video.

I never got a chance to look into this further, life, reworking this entire board, plus other things, we only got this far, but worth a look.

The other thing I forgot to say, i wrote a guide on it, LOOT is not 100%, it gives you a good base to work from.

i.e. Beantown interiors, puts it in the wrong place, the mod author noted that the mod should go twords the end of a load order, I ran a test and it turned out to be true.

I have no experience with Vortex, I have to admit, so I cant help you there, but CC I do and it has been known to cause quite a few issues.
 
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eldahar said:
Hi Phil_T_Casual,

thanks for your answer. I currently don't use any city plans at Red Rocket (12 Settlers) or Sanctuary (24 Settlers). Only Abernathy Farm is using Simple Abernathy Farm by James Bowen with currently 8 Settlers on level 0.

My Load Order is as follows:

0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
254 FE 0 ccbgsfo4001-pipboy(black).esl
254 FE 1 ccbgsfo4002-pipboy(blue).esl
254 FE 2 ccbgsfo4003-pipboy(camo01).esl
254 FE 3 ccbgsfo4004-pipboy(camo02).esl
254 FE 4 ccbgsfo4006-pipboy(chrome).esl
254 FE 5 ccbgsfo4012-pipboy(red).esl
254 FE 6 ccbgsfo4014-pipboy(white).esl
254 FE 7 ccbgsfo4005-bluecamo.esl
254 FE 8 ccbgsfo4020-powerarmorskin(black).esl
254 FE 9 ccbgsfo4025-powerarmorskin(chrome).esl
254 FE a ccbgsfo4033-powerarmorskinwhite.esl
254 FE b ccbgsfo4024-pacamo03.esl
254 FE c ccbgsfo4038-horsearmor.esl
254 FE d ccfsvfo4001-modularmilitarybackpack.esl
254 FE e ccfsvfo4002-midcenturymodern.esl
254 FE f cceejfo4001-decorationpack.esl
7 7 ccrzrfo4001-tunnelsnakes.esm
254 FE 10 ccbgsfo4045-advarccab.esl
254 FE 11 ccfsvfo4003-slocum.esl
254 FE 12 ccgcafo4001-factionws01army.esl
254 FE 13 ccgcafo4002-factionws02acat.esl
254 FE 14 ccgcafo4003-factionws03bos.esl
254 FE 15 ccgcafo4004-factionws04gun.esl
254 FE 16 ccgcafo4005-factionws05hrpink.esl
254 FE 17 ccgcafo4007-factionws07hrflames.esl
254 FE 18 ccgcafo4008-factionws08inst.esl
254 FE 19 ccgcafo4009-factionws09mm.esl
254 FE 1a ccgcafo4010-factionws10rr.esl
254 FE 1b ccgcafo4011-factionws11vt.esl
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254 FE 1d ccgcafo4013-factionas02bos.esl
254 FE 1e ccgcafo4014-factionas03gun.esl
254 FE 1f ccgcafo4015-factionas04hrpink.esl
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254 FE 21 ccgcafo4018-factionas07mm.esl
254 FE 22 ccgcafo4020-factionas09rr.esl
254 FE 23 ccgcafo4022-factionas11vt.esl
254 FE 24 ccgcafo4023-factionas12army.esl
254 FE 25 ccawnfo4001-brandedattire.esl
8 8 ccswkfo4001-astronautpowerarmor.esm
254 FE 26 ccswkfo4002-pipnuka.esl
254 FE 27 ccswkfo4003-pipquan.esl
254 FE 28 ccbgsfo4053-dggoldr.esl
254 FE 29 ccbgsfo4056-dglabb.esl
254 FE 2a ccbgsfo4036-trnsdg.esl
254 FE 2b ccrzrfo4004-pipinst.esl
254 FE 2c ccbgsfo4062-pippat.esl
254 FE 2d ccrzrfo4003-pipover.esl
254 FE 2e ccfrsfo4002-antimaterielrifle.esl
254 FE 2f cceejfo4002-nuka.esl
254 FE 30 ccbgsfo4073-pipmman.esl
254 FE 31 ccbgsfo4076-pipmystery.esl
254 FE 32 ccbgsfo4078-pipreily.esl
254 FE 33 ccbgsfo4008-pipgrn.esl
254 FE 34 ccbgsfo4015-pipyell.esl
254 FE 35 ccbgsfo4009-piporan.esl
254 FE 36 ccbgsfo4011-pippurp.esl
254 FE 37 ccbgsfo4021-powerarmorskinblue.esl
254 FE 38 ccbgsfo4027-powerarmorskingreen.esl
254 FE 39 ccbgsfo4034-powerarmorskinyellow.esl
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254 FE 3b ccbgsfo4031-powerarmorskinred.esl
254 FE 3c ccbgsfo4030-powerarmorskinpurple.esl
254 FE 3d ccbgsfo4032-powerarmorskintan.esl
254 FE 3e ccbgsfo4029-powerarmorskinpink.esl
254 FE 3f ccbgsfo4013-piptan.esl
254 FE 40 ccbgsfo4010-pippnk.esl
254 FE 41 ccsbjfo4001-solarflare.esl
9 9 cczsef04001-bhouse.esm
10 a cctosfo4001-neosky.esm
254 FE 42 cckgjfo4001-bastion.esl
254 FE 43 ccbgsfo4063-papat.esl
254 FE 44 ccqdrfo4001_powerarmorai.esl
254 FE 45 ccbgsfo4048-dovah.esl
254 FE 46 ccrzrfo4002-disintegrate.esl
254 FE 47 ccbgsfo4035-pint.esl
254 FE 48 ccjvdfo4001-holiday.esl
11 b Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
12 c ArmorKeywords.esm
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254 FE 49 Yagisan_SSSL_Lakeside_Cabin_Settlement.esl
14 e SimSettlements.esm
254 FE 4a SimpleAbernathyFarm.esl
254 FE 4b SimpleStarlightDrivein.esl
254 FE 4c SimpleSanctuary.esl
254 FE 4d SimpleRedRocket.esl
254 FE 4e SimpleTenpinesBluff.esl
254 FE 4f BostonAirportCityPlan.esl
15 f EthreonMasterPlan.esm
254 FE 50 Loot Detector.esl
254 FE 51 OP_CCNoirPenthouseFullSettlement.esl
254 FE 52 OP_CCNuCafeOlaFullSettlement.esl
254 FE 53 OP_HomePlateFullSettlement.esl
254 FE 54 OP_NoirPenthouseNavmeshFix.esl
254 FE 55 SimSettlements_IDEKsLogisticsStation.esl
16 10 WorkshopFramework.esm
254 FE 56 Yagisan_SSCP_Nu_Cafe_Ola_Supply_Centre.esl
254 FE 57 CROSS_CoA.esl
17 11 TrueStormsFO4.esm
254 FE 58 OP_CCCharlestownCondoFullSettlement.esl
254 FE 59 Yagisan_SSCP_Vault_111_Medical_Centre.esl
254 FE 5a ARB.esl
254 FE 5b Yagisan_SSCP_Spectacle_Island_Training_and_Supply_Centre.esl
18 12 SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries.esp
19 13 USP 45.esp
20 14 WVSimSAddon.esp
21 15 ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion-VanillaWeight.esp
22 16 Armorsmith Extended.esp
23 17 BostonFPSFixAIO.esp
24 18 BTInteriors_Project.esp
25 19 VanillaExtensions.esp
26 1a WorkshopRearranged.esp
27 1b Unique NPCs.esp
28 1c WorkshopRearranged_DEFUI+VIS_Patch.esp
29 1d 3DNPC_FO4.esp
clean & smooth - abernathy farm.esp
30 1e MojaveImports.esp
31 1f UniversityPointSettlementSPE.esp
32 20 MYSTIC PINES.esp
254 FE 5c Yagisan_SSSL_Lakeside_Cabin_Settlement_Generic_Patch.esp
33 21 Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp
34 22 BetterSettlers.esp
35 23 W.A.T.Minutemen.esp
36 24 SettlementVault111.esp
37 25 WattzSettlement.esp
38 26 MilitarizedMinutemen.esp
39 27 3DNPC_FO4_DLC.esp
40 28 3DNPC_FO4Settler.esp
41 29 g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp
42 2a SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearTwo.esp
43 2b InstituteSettlements.esp
44 2c WorkshopRearranged_NukaCollector_Patch.esp
45 2d VFXAddon.esp
46 2e WorkshopRearranged_ArcadeCabinets_Patch.esp
47 2f SimSettlements CaptLaserBeam Jampads.esp
48 30 SimSettlements_AddOnPack_AwsomeTown.esp
49 31 SS_AddOn_CbC_AIO.esp
50 32 F4NV-AMR.esp
51 33 F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp
52 34 LAER.esp
53 35 ellen.esp
54 36 P99.esp
55 37 1FOM_FireAxe.esp
56 38 mso_sms.esp
57 39 dinomore.esp
58 3a AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
59 3b BetterCompanions.esp
60 3c EasyHacking.esp
61 3d Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
62 3e Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp
63 3f Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp
64 40 Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
65 41 Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp
66 42 Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp
67 43 Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp
68 44 LongerPowerLines3x.esp
69 45 OCDecorator.esp
70 46 OCDecoratorDLC.esp
71 47 OCDispenser.esp
72 48 OP_CCCharlestownCondoExtraObjects.esp
73 49 QuickHarvest.esp
74 4a SettlementMenuManager.esp
75 4b Snappy_HouseK.esp
76 4c Snappy_DLC03.esp
77 4d WDP-PC.esp
78 4e PD_LowerWeapon.esp
79 4f CriticalHitsOutsideofVATS.esp
80 50 TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
81 51 TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp
82 52 RustDevilRedux.esp
83 53 Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp
84 54 More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
85 55 Swinging Meat Bags.esp
86 56 DV-Deadly Vertibirds.esp
87 57 DV-Armored Pilots.esp
88 58 DV-No Levelled Vertibirds.esp
89 59 CBBE.esp
90 5a Passthrough.esp
91 5b WorkshopRearranged_BTInteriors+DEFUI_Patch.esp
92 5c WorkshopRearranged_DecorationsPack_Patch.esp
93 5d WorkshopRearranged_DinoDecor_Patch.esp
94 5e WorkshopRearranged_MasterPlan_Patch.esp
95 5f WorkshopRearranged_MidCentury_Patch.esp
96 60 WorkshopRearranged_SlocumsJoe_Patch.esp
97 61 Glock86.esp
98 62 Snappy_DLC_Scrap.esp
99 63 PowerArmorHoarder.esp
100 64 BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
101 65 BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp
102 66 BetterSettlersMortalSoldiersPack.esp
103 67 VIS-G We Are The Minutemen.esp
254 FE 5d CROSS_BrotherhoodRecon.esp
104 68 Facials.esp
105 69 Unique NPCs FarHarbor.esp
106 6a WorkshopPlus.esp
107 6b Scavvers of the Commonwealth.esp
108 6c Eli_NukaPatch.esp
109 6d JunkTown.esp
110 6e KURO.esp
111 6f F4NVServiceRifleRedux_AWKCR.esp
112 70 LAER Automatron Weapons.esp
113 71 LAER-Armorsmith_Patch.esp
114 72 3DNPC_FO4Settler_SimSettlements.esp
115 73 ValdacilsItemSorting - WastelandImports TAGS.esp
116 74 ScrapDeadThings.esp
117 75 CREAtiveClutter.esp
118 76 dinoshelf.esp
119 77 dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp
120 78 ruined_simsettlement_addonpack.esp
121 79 ohSIM_Sim_Settlements_Scrappers_Addon.esp
122 7a UitFJ.esp
123 7b SimHomestead.esp
124 7c SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
125 7d Kraggles - Structures.esp
126 7e NoirPenthouseWorkshop.esp
254 FE 5e SolarPower.esp
127 7f Thematic and Practical.esp
128 80 TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp
129 81 TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp
130 82 IndustrialCity_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp
131 83 3dscopes-ccamr.esp
132 84 3dscopes-servicerifle.esp
133 85 3dscopes-usp.esp
134 86 3dscopes.esp
135 87 LegendaryModification.esp
136 88 LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp
137 89 legendarymodification VIS.esp
138 8a LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp
139 8b Evan_Modular Kitchen.esp
140 8c EvilViking13_PatchworkSanctuaryBridge.esp
141 8d HuntingRevolver.esp
142 8e WM Chinese Assault Rifle - Standalone.esp
143 8f HangarFix.esp
144 90 SalvageBeacons.esp
145 91 MJC_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp
146 92 RS_Sim_AddOn.esp
147 93 SimSettlements_Addon_VaultLand.esp
148 94 SimSettlements_AddOnPack_IntimateSpaces_SirLach.esp
149 95 ss_addon_pbpp.esp
150 96 SSAOP_SamutzVault88.esp

Thanks again!
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AzarPonytailHairstyles should be below Better Settlers for it to work.

A very insignificant issue though..

I will look harder at it later if I get time.
 
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eldahar said:
61 3d Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
62 3e Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp
63 3f Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp
64 40 Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
65 41 Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp
66 42 Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp
67 43 Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp
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You should only have one of these enabled. You're wasting plugin slots, as these all modify the same values, namely the non-lethal dismemberment chance on body parts.

Insane-o: 70% chance
Liebermode: 10%
Mental: 85%
Mind-blowing: 100%
Postal: 100%
Regular: 25%

Not sure if these values are the same for all body parts, but again, you're wasting 5 extra plugin slots.

Issues with the 'triangle of death': explains so much... I always build a pretty large settlement at Sanctuary. It does lag later in the game, particularly should I make it my raider HQ. 34 people... :oops::explode:
 
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i took another look at your mod list and i noticed you make use of workshop rearranged.

i used that a long time ago and it was a good idea, but it made changes to some things which i didn't really like. plus it really didnt play well with a lot of mods and there were any number of patches to make it work, which just added overhead.
in the end, i removed it from my modlist.

now - you can download and make use of the simsettlements builders toolkit which could replace workshop rearranged and its other mods.

from the perspective of saving you more load order slots, this would be a no-brainer for me. you have the builders toolkit which contains, i think 15,000 items (or thereabouts) a lot of which are included in workshop rearranged.

It might be something for you to consider. as good as workshop rearranged is, it does come with a slight overhead of patches that cost mod slots.

one other thing; better settlers, should, i believe, be right near the bottom of your load order. i recall that i added that to the 'dynamic patches' group in vortex's group manager, which ensured that it loaded near to the end of my load order.

if you move better settlers, and azar pony tails further down your load order, that will be a good thing, although still not the root cause of the issue of your glitches.
 
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What patches are needed for Workshop rearranged? @1ae0bfb8
I always use it outside of contest builds and I would say it is the best workshop mod by far, nothing come close to how useable it is.

I love PBP, it's fantastic, but for the average user WR is the better option imo.
 
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its been a long time since i used it, but i recall there was a patch required for ethreon's master plan mod, also there were patches for other mods that changed things in the workshop menu.

i think there are patches required for the creation club stuff - i havent used WR in a long time, and removed all the CC stuff from my game a while back, so don't know if that is still an issue or not.

Another couple of patches were required for autodoors, i think the bubble turret set, atomic radio, a few workshop mods like colored lights, dino decorations and a couple of others.

it's been ages since i used it however, and i recall when i went with the decision to remove it and its fixes i had several slots free in my load order (which i filled with other useless garbage).

i agree with you, WR is a great mod, but it changes a lot of things, perks and requirements by default which i didn't really like, but it is what it is. anyway, as simsettlements grows, i'm looking to trim my load order. i have so many transfer settlement blueprints that i'd like to share, but when i save them, it's 40+ mods to make it work, which means it's pretty much a no-go unless someone has my exact load order.

in streamlining my mod list, i'm hoping to make blueprints that can be downloaded by anyone who plays sim settlements, and about 10 other common building mods. at the same time, i'm finding my game is a lot more robust, and if i find issues, i'm having to search through fewer and fewer mods to try and find the root cause.

anyway, these are just suggestions, in no way am i saying use mod x over mod y or you're doing it wrong. :)
 
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Yeah I can see other mods needing patches to work with it now that you mention it, but honestly it brings so much to the table I would say the onus is on authors of single workshop items to get their stuff to play nice with it. The author also ensures it works with SS so that's another plus from me.

I only use WR and PBP, it's so easy to get bogged down in having way too many workshop mods that can in all honesty can be done without, so if I ever was to release TS blueprints 'twould be simple.
 
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Just as a follow up to my original question: I reduced the number of settlers in sanctuary and also removed some add-on packs. My game is pretty stable again since then, with the occasional random ctd.

Thanks for the help and your suggestions guys!
 
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