Closed Crashing on load

[Methman]

So ive been playing just fine for the last week or so but now im getting CTD right when I load my save and sometimes my screen will lock up and the audio will replay over and over again very loudly and I have to do a total shut down of my PC because I lose all control. When this started I didn't install any mods, I was just playing normally

All I know is before this I was getting some pretty hard frame drops in Sanctuary after it leveled up to 3. And fast travailing to Sanctuary takes up to 3-5 minutes now.

Here are some saves, did them off site because it was saying they are too large.

Auto save 2 and 3 are saves getting the crashes. I think the third one is in the redrocket, I was able to run away from Sanctuary before the crash and it gave me a few minutes to get out of the city. It ended up freezing my PC a few minute later.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3b328j4kf...monwealth_012303_20180109135741_39_2.fos?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jb2hvbpvt...monwealth_012304_20180110010256_39_2.fos?dl=0

Auto save 1 is the closest save I could get before the first two which is about 20 hours behind.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7bcawgfue...monwealth_010259_20180104222940_29_2.fos?dl=0

 

[ApoAlaia]

Have you tried the performance options in the holotape?

Disabling the high-poly models, effects etc might alleviate your current predicament.

 

[Methman]

Have you tried the performance options in the holotape?

Disabling the high-poly models, effects etc might alleviate your current predicament.

Well I can't even do anything. The game crashes near instantly. Very rarely/randomly it will allow me to run around but that just leads to a computer freeze

 

[Methman]

Actually I forgot to leave out the fact that I did uninstall SS and tired running the save but it did a different type of crash. So im just wondering if its this mod or I should be looking for something else or a possible fix.

I really really don't wanna lose this save.

 

[ApoAlaia]

My bad, I misread your post.

As your save CTDs upon load Fallrim Tools (https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/22633/) would be your only recourse.

As it turns out I am not knowledgeable enough on that tool to advice you how to use it; you may need to seek advice on the mod's page, sorry.

 

[Methman]

So was the CTD issue not related to SS? I was hopeing to try and narrow down what im looking to fix. Its just strange how I didn't install or remove any mods the night this happened and I was playing fine all night until I got to Sanctuary right after it leveled up.

 

[ApoAlaia]

So was the CTD issue not related to SS? I was hopeing to try and narrow down what im looking to fix. Its just strange how I didn't install or remove any mods the night this happened and I was playing fine all night until I got to Sanctuary right after it leveled up.

It could be a compounded problem.

The new expansion reacted... adversely to some outdated/unorthodoxly implemented functions present in other mods.

The fact is, once a save is compromised to such extent that it will crash the game upon load is notoriously difficult to recover.

I had some degree of success with an Skyrim save using Fallrim tools and the advice of someone more versed on the matter than myself but ultimately I had to abandon it; even though it would load after some 'housekeeping' the game's behaviour remained erratic.

 

[Methman]

It could be a compounded problem.

The new expansion reacted... adversely to some outdated/unorthodoxly implemented functions present in other mods.

The fact is, once a save is compromised to such extent that it will crash the game upon load is notoriously difficult to recover.

I had some degree of success with an Skyrim save using Fallrim tools and the advice of someone more versed on the matter than myself but ultimately I had to abandon it; even though it would load after some 'housekeeping' the game's behaviour remained erratic.

Alright thanks, ill try to look into it. Also holy crap thanks for just the speedy replies. Really appreciate it

 

[woodfuzzy]

@Methman I was able to clean and get your saves to load using Fallrim Tools V3.0.1
They will not open with V3.0.2.. so make sure to use the 3.0.1.

EDIT: As ApoAlaia said, you may get them to load.. but they will most likely have ongoing problems.

 

[Methman]

@Methman I was able to clean and get your saves to load using Fallrim Tools V3.0.1
They will not open with V3.0.2.. so make sure to use the 3.0.1.

EDIT: As ApoAlaia said, you may get them to load.. but they will most likely have ongoing problems.

Woah really? What exactly did you do and can I have the save file?

 

[woodfuzzy]

Woah really? What exactly did you do and can I have the save file?

You have 75K+ Active Scripts all marked terminated. By right clicking the "Active Scripts" folder and choosing Delete 75... you can clean them out.
Not saying this is the correct way to fix it, OR that it will solve the underlying cause... but... it will allow you to load the save.
Not giving ANY guarantee in any shape or form.

 

[Methman]

You have 75K+ Active Scripts all marked terminated. By right clicking the "Active Scripts" folder and choosing Delete 75... you can clean them out.
Not saying this is the correct way to fix it, OR that it will solve the underlying cause... but... it will allow you to load the save.
Not giving ANY guarantee in any shape or form.

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Hey you're not a miracle worker, if this gets my save to load then thats enough for me to finish the game. Thanks!

 

[kinggath]

Wow - that might be a new record for ActiveScripts!

 

[Methman]

Wow - that might be a new record for ActiveScripts!

I honestly have no idea how, or what I even did wrong to do this. A majority of my mods are guns and armor. Does anyone know who this happened? I went out of my way this save to make sure I didn't go overboard with unnecessary mods I wont use.

 

[Methman]

You have 75K+ Active Scripts all marked terminated. By right clicking the "Active Scripts" folder and choosing Delete 75... you can clean them out.
Not saying this is the correct way to fix it, OR that it will solve the underlying cause... but... it will allow you to load the save.
Not giving ANY guarantee in any shape or form.

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I cleaned out active scripts the same way you did it seemed like it was going to work for a moment but then the entire computer froze and I had to power it down

Edit: LOL ok as soon as I try recording the crash with my phone I can all of a sudden run around and its not crashing.... The CTD doesn't seem to happen anymore but the computer freezing does? Must not be related.

 

[The Typical Idiot Fan]

Once you get in, fast travel away real quick. Your game is having to re-up the good scripts all at once and it can strain any system. Moving away from a settlement to some neutral location allows all that to happen without the additional script lag caused by settlers and whatnot.

 

[Methman]

Once you get in, fast travel away real quick. Your game is having to re-up the good scripts all at once and it can strain any system. Moving away from a settlement to some neutral location allows all that to happen without the additional script lag caused by settlers and whatnot.

Yeah I went to the castle then walked around on the outside of it for a bit. I got to play for a good 10 minutes or so then got a CTD, it wasn't the same type tho. Before the game would freeze then id get a windows error. This just instantly blinked off. Progress I guess.

 

[The Typical Idiot Fan]

I get both of those all the time, even without mods installed. I'm about 82% sure that the freeze ones are related to ghouls or the True Storms ghoul rush effect on radiation storms, because most of the time I freeze are during those events with ghouls. CTDs happen, too. Those are the more alarming bugs they're trying to fix here. Go to the sticky'd post at the top of this bug page about CTD crashes and follow the instructions to enable Papyrus logging so they can nail down your problem.

EDIT

Huh, now this is very odd, in the exact opposite direction. My two recent save files, one a quick and one a hard save, made about five minutes apart while standing in a Level 1 Sanctuary with 42 plots, right now has 0 active scripts running. I don't think I've ever had 0 active scripts running. Is that bad in a different way or is it just because I'm not doing anything important in the city right now?

EDIT 2

Decided to go wandering in Sanctuary after that and crashed. I'm not sure if this is related or not.

 

[tankthing]

Gun and Armor scripts are kind of notorious for having unintended side effects for whatever reason. As I understand it, if multiple guns level the same levelled item lists for item drops, it can cause much fun.

75k scripts is definitely the highest I think I've seen.

You might want to recheck that save and see if the active scripts are breeding up again, if so, then start removing gun and armor mods until it stops doing it. The last one removed is the one to take out back and hit with a shovel.

 

[Methman]

I get both of those all the time, even without mods installed. I'm about 82% sure that the freeze ones are related to ghouls or the True Storms ghoul rush effect on radiation storms, because most of the time I freeze are during those events with ghouls. CTDs happen, too. Those are the more alarming bugs they're trying to fix here. Go to the sticky'd post at the top of this bug page about CTD crashes and follow the instructions to enable Papyrus logging so they can nail down your problem.

EDIT

Huh, now this is very odd, in the exact opposite direction. My two recent save files, one a quick and one a hard save, made about five minutes apart while standing in a Level 1 Sanctuary with 42 plots, right now has 0 active scripts running. I don't think I've ever had 0 active scripts running. Is that bad in a different way or is it just because I'm not doing anything important in the city right now?

EDIT 2

Decided to go wandering in Sanctuary after that and crashed. I'm not sure if this is related or not.

Alright, Ill look into this later tonight or tomorrow and post my findings. For what ever god awful reason after my latest crash MO thought it was a good idea to disable all my mods.

Gun and Armor scripts are kind of notorious for having unintended side effects for whatever reason. As I understand it, if multiple guns level the same levelled item lists for item drops, it can cause much fun.

75k scripts is definitely the highest I think I've seen.

You might want to recheck that save and see if the active scripts are breeding up again, if so, then start removing gun and armor mods until it stops doing it. The last one removed is the one to take out back and hit with a shovel.

If thats true then ill try removing modern firearms. It was the very last gun mod I installed and was close to when I was having issues. Its also the largest collection I have. I had no idea gun mods even added scripts. I have about 20 active scripts on my clean save after running for about 10-20 minutes of play. I don't think I see any gun mod scripts, I don't even know what I should be looking for actually. Im honestly shocked that you guys are surprised by my amount of scripts. I really want to find out what is happening