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Is it just me or did FO4 make the Brotherhood complete assholes?

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As in, stereotypical military assholes, if you're a civilian then you're scum.

Every time I run across them in-game I just feel like shooting them.

In fact...
 
With that being said and further more... BOOM... Sit down & shut the.... Oh.. sorry bout that! wrong gun! Oh weell... let me relieve you of all that nasty BOS junk. Good scavenge..
 
Hate 'em. Plus those tin cans make my butt look big. I kill that one old dude in the bunker up north just for his clothes, though. That black officer uniform makes me look like a stone cold fox.
 
Go Railroad and blow up the Prydwen, it's so satisfying.
I’m gonna do it with the Minutemen, now that I’m taking the time to play again. Will be a good test of my Castle build too.
 
The Brotherhood were always assholes. The only ones that were tolerable assholes in any Fallout game was the Brotherhood in FO3 and that was only because of Lyons' point of view. They aren't any more douchy or condescending in FO4 than in any other Fallout IMHO. Outsiders are lesser beings to them.
 
What choices do I have to make to do that? Didn't know I could.:)
I think that it happens organically as you follow the main Railroad storyline. There comes a point where a choice you make (following the Railroad) makes the BOS into enemies, though I’m not sure where that point is.

Doing the Minutemen ending like I am, I have to work at aggravating the BOS. It’s kind of irritating, shooting them and they just take it passively.

I’ll probably have to end up shooting a named character in the BOS to make them enemies so I can blow up their damned airship.
 
First time I sided with the RR I saw Maxon wasn’t in his usual spot on the bridge. Figured the game was saving him for later, so I left a nuke mine in the room where I thought he’d spawn in. So satisfying when it blew up in his fascist face as I was on my way back out.
 
I just re-took Egret Marina - fired up the city-plan because I couldn't be bothered re-doing 5 hours of work - and those douchebag BOS scum crashed a vertibird right into the place, left some of their junk laying in my nice, clean L0 city while I was enjoying the cinematic.
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That does it. Now I'm gonna go up the Prydwin and go on a killing-spree. Die you BOS scum, die!
 
As in, stereotypical military assholes, if you're a civilian then you're scum.

Every time I run across them in-game I just feel like shooting them.

In fact...
I loathe them. I've made repeated attempts to play their storyline for completionist reasons and I just can't. Danse is the most tolerable of them all and he's completely patronizing. They are authoritarian jerks who are hoarding technology rather than helping. And they strongarm the settlements I'm trying to protect. This time around I'm using Project Valykrie with the intention of kicking Max to the curb.
 
I would go so far as to say worse than patronizing, the lot of 'em. Sure, there's probably a few decent types in there. Just like in the Institute. It doesn't make the group anything less than foul.

I'm basically starting to consider the BoS to be nothing more than polite raiders with high technology. So they can threaten instead of straight-up shooting.

The number of vertibirds that they've lost in my game. :rofl
 
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As in, stereotypical military assholes, if you're a civilian then you're scum..

It is a 50/50 thing when you look back at Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas. The leadership and some of the troops are nice, but you always run into the elitist one sin the lower troops. In F3 and FNV the leaders respected citizens, this time around in Fallout 4 we got the other half.

I think the biggest problem with the BOS is we never get to see the end result. We never get to see them restoring any safe tech to civilian hands or benefit from the area being purged of super mutants and ferals.

Quite a bit of the enmity comes from BOS takes away dangerous tech and people just dont like being told that is too dangerous for you to handle or have. Think of nuclear technology today for a good example.

You also have to think about this, the BOS are a bunch of veterans fighting a long and bitter war while always short on supplies and manpower. The thanks they get from the local governments and citizens is usually really low.

The rift in BOS/Civilians relations really goes both ways and that rift will probably never close in anyone's lifetime.
 
I really appreciate the BOS as a faction (note that doesn't mean I like them). To me they have a similar feel/foundation as HYDRA in the Marvel Universe. They have a sensible/understandable foundation of beliefs. It's just that they're also easily subverted into something harmful.

I think the biggest problem with the BOS is we never get to see the end result. We never get to see them restoring any safe tech to civilian hands or benefit from the area being purged of super mutants and ferals.
I know we haven't seen this in any games, but are there any examples of this in the lore? Have the BOS ever actually pacified an area and restored some (any) of the infrastructure for the civilians?

The rift in BOS/Civilians relations really goes both ways and that rift will probably never close in anyone's lifetime.
While I agree that's true. I'm inclined to place the blame for it squarely at the feet of the BOS.
Even when they're helping they're assholes about it. It's no wonder they're short on supplies and manpower. Contrast that with the Minute Men. Granted the Minute Men don't steal technology from people either. But they're far more gracious about the support they offer, and receive in return.

I'm also super pissed at Knight Rhys, and his suicidal clense missions. Seriously. If they sent any BOS soldiers on any of the missions he sends you on, they wouldn't come back. And yet you do, and he still treats you like crap.
 
I know we haven't seen this in any games, but are there any examples of this in the lore? Have the BOS ever actually pacified an area and restored some (any) of the infrastructure for the civilians.

Fallout 3 is the only chance we got to have anything linked going forward. They mentioned restoring some factories and stuff (which is how they have the T-60.) They mention using the reactor from Rivet City to build the Prydwen, but they left out what kind of power source they left in return. So people immediately assumed the BOS took it by force. A lot of it is still very vague.

FNV mentions the bad history of the NCR. The BOS and NCR worked together to take down a threat. Then basically the NCR wanted some high tech weaponry looted and the BOS said no.

Other than that no previous location a game has occurred in has been revisited to see the changes.

The BOS isn't about keeping every tech thing to themselves. That is just brahminshit carried forward from FNV. Hoover Dam was not a "simple electrical station" so whoever got control of it would have the ability to abuse it. Like House wanted to use it to create a robot army, Caesar want to destroy it to make it easier to keep NV under control.

Think about it, power armor, energy weapons, and fatman are high tech. Yet you never see the BOS run around seizing them. This is because nobody is going to destroy the world with just a suit of power armor and a couple fatmen.

I think Danse even says it in one of his speeches. The BOS only seeks to control/destroy any technology that can bring about another end of the world. Synths are such a technology, free thinking or not. Normally I would call them a self appointed guardian, but their origin comes from actually being a part of the former US military. They broke away because of the Enclave corruption with the remains of the government.

The main reason the BOS is short manpower is because they never recruited outsiders allegedly up until the F3 era. With F4 they seem to be openly recruiting outsiders. Which they also have gone from being a fully equipped in power armor to about only 50% equipped. Most likely due to not handing over the good stuff to new recruits.

If anything BOS is more like SHIELD not HYDRA because they are a bunch of protectors who kept on doing their job after being fired multiple times.
 
Haha, the ideology of HYDRA with the passion and drive of SHIELD! What could go wrong?

The same thing, different twist. Instead of being jealous of super powered people in SHIELD it moved to jealous of technological superiority of the BOS, lol.

The Agents of Shield show kinda twisted HYDRA from their original cotton-headed ninny-muggins born world domination origin to we need control in order to fight unitedly against the alien threat coming. Kinda like one of them seductive moral grey areas.
 
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