Old Post Repeatable bug demonstrated

[revfisk]

There is an issue that I and others are having with shutting down the game to desktop after Conqueror reaches a certain level of set up. This issue persists after the code is finished running. We must ust task manager to shut down F04 from the main menu after we run a game with Conqueror. It only happens after the first phase of Conqueror set up is nearing completion or complete. We can exit to the main menu and save just fine. It is an annoyance but i worry that there is something deeper being effected. I am no modder, so who knows.

The original thread is here: https://simsettlements.com/site/index.php?threads/cant-shut-down-the-game.9616/

My most recent post is below:

I've restarted the game with only about 40-50 mods and been watching for the issue. The game shuts down fine until some time around the end of phase 1(placing objects). There is no problem exiting to the main menu. It is only closing the game from the main menu after running a game with Conqueror (or the latest updates of Sim S and WF with Conqueror) that the issue appears.

I have not yet updated to the latest patch, but will do so now. Here is my current load order:

Fallout4.esm=1
DLCRobot.esm=1
DLCworkshop01.esm=1
DLCCoast.esm=1
DLCworkshop02.esm=1
DLCworkshop03.esm=1
DLCNukaWorld.esm=1
WorkshopFramework.esm=1
unlockedsettlementobjects.esm=1
FAR.esl=1
HUDFramework.esm=1
Retro_Style.esm=1
SimSettlements.esm=1
SimSettlements_IDEKsLogisticsStation.esl=1
space2jump_The_Slog_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_The_Castle_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_Tenpines_Bluff_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_Taffington_Boathouse_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_Sanctuary_Hills_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_Red_Rocket_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_Outpost_Zimonja_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_Oberland_Station_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_Jamaica_Plain_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_Hangmans_Alley_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_Greentop_Nursery_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_Croup_Manor_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_County_Crossing_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
space2jump_Costal_Cottage_ss_Cityplan.esl=1
ArmorKeywords.esm=1
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp=1
LooksMenu.esp=1
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp=1
SKKFastStart.esp=1
SKKFastStartSettlement.esp=1
Genetical Father 1.0.1.esp=1
AllSetsExtended.esp=1
ASE_PerfPatch.esp=1
ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion-VanillaWeight.esp=1
def_inv_scrap_en.esp=1
No more monochrome - Color setting for the Pipboy!.esp=1
Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters.esp=1
CBBE.esp=1
KSHairdos.esp=1
MiscHairstyle.esp=1
AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp=1
Lots More Facial Hair.esp=1
MoreBeards.esp=1
MoreHairstyles4Female.esp=1
The Eyes Of Beauty.esp=1
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1
AA Lots More Settlers and Enemies.esp=1
Wasteland Heroines Replacer All in One_1.0.0.esp=1
AgemoNPCs(E).esp=1
Cute Magnolia Crescent.esp=1
Cute Magnolia Vanilla.esp=1
IWDanse.esp=1
unlockedsettlementobjectssp.esp=1
BasementLiving.esp=1
UniqueUniques.esp=1
MoreUniques.esp=1
Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp=0
Armorsmith Extended.esp=1
SOTS_AWKCR_AS_Patch.esp=0
Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp=1
Clothing Of The Commonwealth.esp=1
Mercenary.esp=1
ASA.esp=0
Synth Overhaul.esp=1
Synth Overhaul - Black Patch.esp=1
SuperMutantRedux.esp=1
SuperMutantRedux_ArmorSmithExtended.esp=1
SuperMutantRedux VIS Patch.esp=1
RaiderOverhaul.esp=1
Raider Overhaul - AE Patch.esp=1
W.A.T.Minutemen.esp=1
ValdacilsItemSorting - Raider Overhaul TAGS - AE.esp=1
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearTwo.esp=1
SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp=1
B84sThemedResidentials.esp=1
FungusFarm.esp=1
JunkTown.esp=1
WV2_SimSAddon.esp=1
WVSimSAddon.esp=1
IndustrialCity_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp=1
IndustrialCity_Sim_Settlements_Dispatcher_Radio_Optional.esp=1
SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries.esp=1
ruined_simsettlement_addonpack.esp=1
UitFJ.esp=1
ohSIM_Sim_Settlements_Scrappers_Addon.esp=1
SimHomestead.esp=1
RS_Sim_AddOn.esp=1
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp=1
Altairp's Animal Farm.esp=1
MJC_POTC.esp=1
MJC_RO_SSCon_MergePatch.esp=1
MJC_SS_Plots.esp=1
AtomsConqueror.esp=1
trigger_conq.esp=1
Faction Addon Minutemen.esp=1
tkzBOS_FactionPack.esp=1
CommChemExpanded.esp=1
CHEF.esp=1
CHEF - VIS Patch.esp=1
CigaretteInMouth.esp=1
LightUp2.0.esp=1
Locksmith.esp=1
SalvageBeacons.esp=1
NoThirstyChemsVIS.esp=1
OutfitSwitcher.esp=1
RecycleBottles.esp=0
SKKScrapper.esp=1
SKKWorkshopUtilities.esp=1
WaterPumpRadiation.esp=1
ImmersiveScrapping_SeasonPass.esp=1
ImmersiveScrapping_SeasonPassVisPatch.esp=1
NPC LLD Rebalance.esp=1
mr Loot Logic and Reduction.esp=1
mr Lower Settlement Production Kickbacks.esp=1
CrazyEarlsScrapyard.esp=1
CrazyEarlsScrapyard_Lore.esp=1
SlowTime.esp=1
Some Assembly Required.esp=1
Some Assembly Required (Legendary Patch).esp=1
Be Exceptional - Uninstall.esp=1
Be Exceptional.esp=1
Be Exceptional Rebalanced (LVL 78).esp=1
YouAreSPECIAL.esp=1
You Are Exceptional.esp=1
Better Weapon Scrap.esp=1
BleakBeauty.esp=1
No Combat Music.esp=1
Radrose Usability Enhancements.esp=1
Radrose Usability - Empty Bottles.esp=1
Radrose Usability - Workbench Perk Requirements.esp=1
Radrose - Valdacil Patch - Armorsmith Extended.esp=1
Radrose - Valdacil Patch - SlowTime.esp=1
Radrose - Valdacil Patch - Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp=1
Radrose - Valdacil Patch - Mercenary.esp=1
Radrose - Valdacil Patch - SalvageBeacons.esp=1
Radrose - Valdacil Patch - Synth Overhaul.esp=1
Radrose - Valdacil Patch - OutfitSwitcher.esp=1
Vivid Fallout - All in One - Best Choice.esp=1
Boston Natural Surroundings.esp=1
Boston Natural Surroundings NW.esp=1
Commonwealth Visual Overhaul.esp=1
Commonwealth Visual OverhaulDLC.esp=1
Commonwealth Weather Overhaul.esp=1
120_settlement.esp=1
Insignificant Object Remover.esp=1
Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp=1
ScrapEverythingDisablerProject.esp=1
walkers.esp=1
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1
AFT_Use_Original_Spouse.esp=1
TIFa_lite_Complitae.esp=1
MoreFuckinMeat.esp=1
Survival Effects Tweaks.esp=1
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp=1
SurvivalOptions.esp=1

 

[RayBo]

No worries. Sorry, I do try to read most all the postings. Can you guy's update and then post on this thread what you find?

@revfisk Thank you for including the other link in this posting. I consider that "confirmation" but with last nights update lets check and not make KG chase dead molerats

Please anyone posting on this thread, clean out the save file folder before confirming.

It would be bad to have save file goofiness "bloat" be the cause. I don't have this bug so can't say that this has anything to do with it but it is the first thing I would check here.

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

I have this problem but I don't consider it a bug. Want to know why not? Because I have not been able to replicate it on a save with only SS mods installed.

I have 4 saves that I use very frequently. All have conqueror installed, 2 are for building only, 1 is for testing and the last one is my play-through save. This is a save with 150 mods and yes this is the save I have to force close.

Sure this issue started when I installed conqueror, but with the other 3 saves they close instantly. There is a conflict of some sort and to find that out I would have to go through all the mods one by one and it's not that much of an issue for me to go to that length.

 

[RayBo]

I have this problem but I don't consider it a bug. Want to know why not? Because I have not been able to replicate it on a save with only SS mods installed.

I have 4 saves that I use very frequently. All have conqueror installed, 2 are for building only, 1 is for testing and the last one is my play-through save. This is a save with 150 mods and yes this is the save I have to force close.

Sure this issue started when I installed conqueror, but with the other 3 saves they close instantly. There is a conflict of some sort and to find that out I would have to go through all the mods one by one and it's not that much of an issue for me to go to that length.

Thank you. This is valuable input.

It can’t hurt to leave this open for now.

 

[revfisk]

I have this problem but I don't consider it a bug. Want to know why not? Because I have not been able to replicate it on a save with only SS mods installed.

I have 4 saves that I use very frequently. All have conqueror installed, 2 are for building only, 1 is for testing and the last one is my play-through save. This is a save with 150 mods and yes this is the save I have to force close.

Sure this issue started when I installed conqueror, but with the other 3 saves they close instantly. There is a conflict of some sort and to find that out I would have to go through all the mods one by one and it's not that much of an issue for me to go to that length.

What mods do you and I have in common on your save that is causing the issue?

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

A few, but none I think would be causing the issue.

Spoiler: Plugins/loadorder

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Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
ArmorKeywords.esm
Z_Architect.esm
Loads.esm
RadiationProtectorESL.esl
XDI.esm
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Gaussbuff.esp
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SimSettlements.esm
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101GlowingSea.esp
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TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
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AgemoNewFace(E)Cait.esp
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BTA_ForceOpen.esp
CAMP.esp
ChineseStealthSuit.esp
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Crafting Mastery.esp
Gm Home Plate.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearTwo.esp
highwaysfix.esp
SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp
SA-SyringerAmmoOverhaul.esp
ProjectValkyrie.esp
CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp
Crafting Mastery - Patch Sim Settlements.esp
CROSS_Cybernetics.esp
CROSS_Cybernetics_NoRobotFootStepSounds.esp
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Modern Sidearms.esp
Dank_LegendaryCrafting_AWKCR.esp
X13_ScrapOTron.esp
UnlockAllHairstyles.esp
Unbreakable Power Armor Player Only.esp
DN Music.esp
DNMega.esp
Rangergearnew.esp
Driveable Motorcycle Mod.esp
DX_Black_Widow.esp
Eli Armor Compendium AE Patch.esp
Evan_Modular Kitchen.esp
Thematic and Practical.esp
The Wasp.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
Synth Overhaul.esp
Synth Overhaul - White Patch.esp
Synth Overhaul - No level requirements Patch.esp
Synth Overhaul - Black Patch.esp
SWG.esp
KrissVector.esp
Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp
Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp
Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp
Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp
Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp
LMBTOverlays.esp
Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
LooksMenu.esp
McMillanCS5.esp
More Where That Came From - Classic.esp
More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
AdvSettleTurretSet.esp
MTs255.esp
SKKHostileCompanionFramework.esp
SKKCombatStalkers.esp
NanoSuit.esp
Nuka-World Collectable Markers.esp
nuka_world_settlements_scrap_addon.esp
OutfitSwitcher.esp
P90.esp
P90NPC.esp
Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp
rfortaleza2.esp
rfortaleza2-wetsuit1.esp
rfortaleza2-pauldron.esp
rfortaleza2-mk6.esp
rfortaleza2-mk5.esp
Quad_Accelerator.esp
rfortaleza2-mk4.esp
rfortaleza2-mk1.esp
rfortaleza2-mk2.esp
rfortaleza2-mk3.esp
AssaultBladebuff.esp
SimSettlements_AddOnPack_IntimateSpaces_SirLach.esp
UitFJ.esp
Multiple Floors Sandboxing.esp
IndustrialCity_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp
Telsabuff.esp
SimSettlements_CityPlanPack_ContestEntries.esp
MyCityPlans.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim_Nukaworld.esp
BloodMoonRaiders.esp
WorkshopPlus.esp
GCM.esp
FO4Hotkeys.esp
ProjectBlueprint.esp
WVSimSAddon.esp
SimSettlements_CityPlanContest.esp
Handmadebuff.esp
HangmansHub.esp
ILaserbuff.esp
ILaserbuffM.esp
Laserbuff.esp
Plasmabuff.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim.espA
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim_FarHarbor.esp
Railwaybuff.esp
SettlementMenuManager.esp
ProjectBlueprintCOBJs_Sim_Automatron.esp
SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp
SimSettlements_AddOnPack_SimTowers_JtBryant.esp
CBBE.esp
UniquePlayer.esp
TransferSettlements.esp
EFF.esp

 

[RayBo]

What mods do you and I have in common on your save that is causing the issue?

It shouldn’t make much of a difference but I made a noob mistake and missed we are mixing console and pc.

This is fine, but conformation that everything is updated will be a “good thing”

Please also confirm type of system as sometimes the tags are wrong or not updated?

 

[Phil_T_Casual]

They are on PC @RayBo, couldn't have that many mods on xbox.

 

[RayBo]

They are on PC @RayBo, couldn't have that many mods on xbox.

I’ll make the same assumption for @revfisk, his tag is xbox but this looks and sounds like pc. I am sure he’ll confirm if I am wrong. + his list has mods that would surprise me if they were on console and he did say task-manager. hahaha, it’s monday and I looked at the tag. yep, pc “task manager”

So, I assume you are still getting the same issue with no change after updating the weekly patch and making sure WF is current.

I will restate the problem statement:

you have to use task manager to save and close the game while running Conqueror?

Disabling all other non-ss mods allows correct shut-down?

Disabling Conqueror allows correct shut-down without task manager?

Last question.

Is this just for the first the first initializing process?

or

Is it continually thereafter?

Sorry, to ask so many dumb questions. I don’t have this bug and I assume KG does not either so it maybe hare to pin point?

 

[Putinator]

This one happens to me too. Every time. No matter if the set up scripts for Conqueror are still running or already completed, no matter if I have other mods besides SimSet and Conqueror active or not. I always have to force quit the game with tast manager.

But when Conqueror is disabled the game shuts down normally

 

[Rudy]

It's definitely a mod conflict, I just don't know which one(s). I also encounter this but in trouble shooting other issues (with many mods disabled) my game quit to desktop with no problem. I was actually quite surprised that it did.
My advice is to quit to Main Menu and then you can toggle out and right-click -> Close Window on FO4. The exit save works once you get to the Main Menu so you're not losing anything. I still do a save anyway because I'm paranoid.

I don't know if I should put this as a Bug or not as it's not really a problem with Conqueror by itself, but a helluva mod conflict and I don't know which one. Researching which mod(s) cause the failure to exit FO4 would take a ridiculous amount of time.