ModHelper: A first look- the Interface...

[Mystical Panda]

@Captain LaserBeam ... just did a double-take and didn't realize that the 4 beds were from Abernathy. but the numbers were replicated once the workbench was activated.

 

[msalaba]

The biggest problem I've noticed with the stack trace is the sheer amount of information it tends to dump

Could you make it foldable? Default collapsed, then if you click on an error, it unfolds the stack. That way you could hide the static yet still have the ability to see the details.

I don't believe I have "Clean My Settlements"

Oops... Type, I meant Raze. I edited my post. smh

 

[Mystical Panda]

Could you make it foldable? Default collapsed, then if you click on an error, it unfolds the stack. That way you could hide the static yet still have the ability to see the details.

That I could do; a TreeView. Even use the byte offset into the file as they key's index, this way the memory footprint won't be too large and still provide a nice access time. Give me a bit to look at the output- it's been awhile, so I can see how to organize it. I remember with stack traces quite awhile back, I wanted to generate a type of visual 'workflow' from the frames, showing which calls were making what and when... then I saw the amout of data was dumped.

 

[Mystical Panda]

@msalaba ... I'm going to go ahead and post the video on quick source script access from here, since it's more related to an interface. The feature will be a 'front end' into library calls which could be used by other applications since they are not directly related(linked) to the front-end(the reverse applies).

 

[Mystical Panda]

Here's an example of how I update my current game with mods that have changed, though I really wouldn't recommend that during a playthrough. I took a few extra steps until all the code is updated and working properly, but it shows the way I like to manage my current modded game.

 

[msalaba]

@msalaba ... I'm going to go ahead and post the video on quick source script access from here, since it's more related to an interface. The feature will be a 'front end' into library calls which could be used by other applications since they are not directly related(linked) to the front-end(the reverse applies).

@10:30 you mention wanting to add a feature to tie an error to the script source. That will not work as you envision.
The base game script source only comes with the Creation Kit. You have to run the CK at least once to get the source files unzipped (installed). Most users will not be doing this. Most mods do not include script source. (I do cause I don't care who steals it)

There is a decompile program called Champolion. This could be useful, BUT, comments from the original source will not exist and most often the decompiled lines to not match the original source. IIRC, the latest update added original line comments when decompiling.

 

[Mystical Panda]

here is a decompile program called Champolion. This could be useful, BUT, comments from the original source will not exist and most often the decompiled lines to not match the original source. IIRC, the latest update added original line comments when decompiling.

That might be a much better idea since the main 'flow' wouldn't depend on a given source. I'm getting ready to check it out... but I think(it's been awhile since I've used it), if it's the front-end I'm thinking of, might need a manual save. If there's a CLI version, that would be perfect.

 

[Mystical Panda]

Here's a video, a bit longer than I anticipated, but shows how to check(in the plugin order) for mod conflicts such as with WorkshopScript.pex. I've seen that come up a bit and this is how I check, but the process could also be applied manually.

@ 32m:00s is where I actually look for the 'conflict', if you want to skip to that part. But I also included some looks into the design and coding of the front end, for those that might be interested.

 

[Mystical Panda]

I wanted to do a quick follow up video to show how I came to the conclusion that Car Variety which was showing the VMAD(maybe referencing a workshop placed object? just guessing) reference in the plugin.

If you know, off the top of your head, the names of the scripts(.pex) files that manage the workshop resource numbers I could look specifically for those and see if something is upating a script causing the numbers issue.

 

[Mystical Panda]

Here's where I linked Champolion to the application using the 'program control' and 'un-managed' text files, which works great. Towards the end is where I 'show' the decompiled script.

 

[Mystical Panda]

This is the first draft of the 'framework' to access scripts using a papyrus log, but technically could be used to access any resource file in a game(just need to define and code the process if the functions don't already exist). The L4Z feature will hopefully follow by next week.

 

[msalaba]

If you know, off the top of your head, the names of the scripts(.pex) files that manage the workshop resource numbers

Fallout 4/Data/Scripts/Workshipscript

WorkshopFramework/Scripts/Source/User/WorkshopScript.psc at master · kinggath/WorkshopFramework

Redesign of the FO4 Workshop Scripts. Contribute to kinggath/WorkshopFramework development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

edit: I think you are looking for calls to RecalculateResources

https://falloutck.uesp.net/wiki/RecalculateResources_-_ObjectReference

Latest champollion:

GitHub - Orvid/Champollion: A PEX to Papyrus Decompiler for Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Starfield

A PEX to Papyrus Decompiler for Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Starfield - Orvid/Champollion

github.com

Note: There is a version difference between ba2 archives with FO4 OG vs NG. I don't know if it will affect your work or not. More info:

BA2 Archive Version Patcher

BA2 Archive Version Patcher downgrades the header version of next gen ba2 archives from versions 7 and 8 to version 1. This allows the next gen archives to be loaded by older tools and game versions.

www.nexusmods.com

 

[Mystical Panda]

Fallout 4/Data/Scripts/Workshipscript

WorkshopFramework/Scripts/Source/User/WorkshopScript.psc at master · kinggath/WorkshopFramework

Redesign of the FO4 Workshop Scripts. Contribute to kinggath/WorkshopFramework development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

edit: I think you are looking for calls to RecalculateResources

https://falloutck.uesp.net/wiki/RecalculateResources_-_ObjectReference

Latest champollion:

GitHub - Orvid/Champollion: A PEX to Papyrus Decompiler for Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Starfield

A PEX to Papyrus Decompiler for Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Starfield - Orvid/Champollion

github.com

Note: There is a version difference between ba2 archives with FO4 OG vs NG. I don't know if it will affect your work or not. More info:

BA2 Archive Version Patcher

BA2 Archive Version Patcher downgrades the header version of next gen ba2 archives from versions 7 and 8 to version 1. This allows the next gen archives to be loaded by older tools and game versions.

www.nexusmods.com

Thank you!

 

[Mystical Panda]

Note: There is a version difference between ba2 archives with FO4 OG vs NG. I don't know if it will affect your work or not. More info:

I encountered that one when I noticed quite a few of BA2 files weren't reporting their files when prompted. I haven't 'broken' down the BA2 fully yet, just enough to parse the header and some of the pointer tables- at least enough to access their resource files list.

Here let me share how I access binary files like BA2. It's not the most efficient way... but it, at least how I was looking at it, is the most flexible.

 

[msalaba]

Here let me share how I access binary files like BA2

You mention dds image size. I can't remember 100% but I thought it had to be a power of 2, not just divisible by 2. Though don't quote me on that...

 

[Mystical Panda]

You mention dds image size. I can't remember 100% but I thought it had to be a power of 2, not just divisible by 2. Though don't quote me on that...

I think your right, now that you mention it. Thanks for correcting me. It wouldv'e been nice, if with the Creation Kit, Bethesda privided a 'check' tool. Something that could be run to check the 'sanity' of the data files going into the game, flagging those files that would be problematic.

 

[Mystical Panda]

Here's how the built in reporting system works. This is completely independent of the "reporting.dll" which just contains different reports I didn't want to put directly into the main interface- which allows access to data outside of that. The system extends the application with varying degrees of reporting.