Old Post bUseCombinedObjects=0 enabled without it set in the .ini

[Fauxy]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but it's my best guess since both mods causing this are settlement mods. If not, can anyone point me towards a place that can answer this?

Whenever I have either Scrap Everything or All Settlements Extended enabled, bUseCombinedObjects=0 seems to be used. Trees are there that shouldn't be otherwise, things are scrappable that shouldn't be, and my fps takes a hit. I'm not sure if its a compatibility issue or what. I have about 200 plugins, not including esl files or the 20 or so VIS patches that were merged.

Is there a way to reverse this with xedit or with a console command at startup? Any other suggestions?

 

[RayBo]

GREAT POST!

make sure SE is at the very bottom of your load order.
ASE should be above it and no, ASE doesn’t use bcombined.

I am a little confused by the questions, so links below may help. I don’t allow that line into my ini files. I stopped using SE as that is the trade, fps. I have 2x1080ti in sli and that means nothing to fps once that fps takes that hit due to scraping. I use mark for delete when I really need to do some scraping.

For educational reading I hope you look at the links below: They are some of the most valuable writings for a successful modded game. hahah, scrolls of infinite wisdom kind of stuff.

threads first maybe-
https://simsettlements.com/site/index.php?threads/scrapping-mods-and-performance-issues.6992/
This the above link should have all the links, one is on the subject is frankly a "who's -who" for the entire modding community.
https://forums.nexusmods.com/index....timization-and-performance-systems-explained/

 

[Yagisan]

Look for an installed .ini file with one of your mods.
Some mods install a matching .ini file that has bUseCombinedObjects=0 in it.
If the esp/esl/esm is loaded, Fallout 4 will read the matching named .ini file.

 

[Fauxy]

Thanks for the links! I was slightly wrong in thinking what a precombined mesh was, but it's clear now. However, ASE is still breaking precombines for some reason. I tested all versions available. Any suggestions?

 

[RayBo]

Thanks for the links! I was slightly wrong in thinking what a precombined mesh was, but it's clear now. However, ASE is still breaking precombines for some reason. I tested all versions available. Any suggestions?

I have been known to be wrong but all ASE really changes is the surrounding settlement border. The highlighted green boundary. Neeher did add some scrap recipes but you need a scrap mod to use them.

So without more information I’ll speculate this:

1, xxx A mod that touches a settlement overhaul, clean, something
2, ASE
3. SE
Above works for me, all should be near bottom of your load order.

ASE works with vanilla settlements even as an .esl. Above is for a modded settlement using ASE as an .esp or “.esl flagged as an esp which you have to do yourself “

Ha, but I am eager to learn, so what is happening? It is a good place to figure it out?

If SE has already jacked your save file, then I have no suggestion.

 

[Fauxy]

This is all on a freshly modded game, so there's no need to worry about save games for now. I've also completely uninstalled SE, the fps drawback is too much for me at the moment. I tested with ASE at the top and bottom of my load order, and tested every mod that edits cells that i can think of. So either I'm missing something with compatibility, or ASE just isn't playing nice in general.

Also an odd thing that I noticed, it seems precombines were only broken in the settlements. I first noticed this when testing the players choice version, and unchecking Sanctuary brought it back to normal, with Red Rocket being broken. I haven't extensively checked this out, but it seems out where there's no settlement also has precombined meshes intact. Will do some more testing tomorrow.

 

[RayBo]

This is all on a freshly modded game, so there's no need to worry about save games for now. I've also completely uninstalled SE, the fps drawback is too much for me at the moment. I tested with ASE at the top and bottom of my load order, and tested every mod that edits cells that i can think of. So either I'm missing something with compatibility, or ASE just isn't playing nice in general.

Also an odd thing that I noticed, it seems precombines were only broken in the settlements. I first noticed this when testing the players choice version, and unchecking Sanctuary brought it back to normal, with Red Rocket being broken. I haven't extensively checked this out, but it seems out where there's no settlement also has precombined meshes intact. Will do some more testing tomorrow.

I do not recomend using ASE or any other mod of that type in any settlement where you intend to use a city plan.

They likely will not play nice.

 

[diziet]

Hi, I have used ASE and found that it breaks precombines in settlements. I posted a question on the nexus mod forum about this last year but received no response. I imagine that that there is no point enlarging the border perimeter if you then can't scrap the newly encompassed stuff to make way for your setttlement.

 

[RayBo]

Hi, I have used ASE and found that it breaks precombines in settlements. I posted a question on the nexus mod forum about this last year but received no response. I imagine that that there is no point enlarging the border perimeter if you then can't scrap the newly encompassed stuff to make way for your setttlement.

haha, after a little research you & Fauxy are correct. Neeher, is a great author and often responds. Back and in JAN18 he did clarify, quote:



This I guess it makes sense, with the scrapping recipes.

Also, I do apologize. I had helped test very early versions "specifically sunshine tidings and a few other locations" of the mod before the all in ones. At that point, all he had done was extend the borders so I was not correct.

I do want to be clear, though great mods, by very respectable authors, ASE and mods like Clean & Simple or other overhaul mods should not be expected nor were they designed to work with SS-City Plans. With SS-City Plans the settlement should be vanilla. If a user does want to use them with SS "just not city plans" then my experience is with them is great and I recommend them as an alternative to SE.

Mods like SE can make it worse and in some instances & not just break precombines but also remove nav-mesh which can cause other issues like NPC pathing.

 

[Fauxy]

Ah I see, makes sense. Thanks much for the input and research!