A Request for help/input on mods

[Kit_uk]

Hi all,
So... I have had a really bad run lately of playing Fallout 4. Over the past few months I have had 6 abandoned saves due to various issues, ranging from crashing on save after about 20 hours of game play, to stuck quest lines and frequent crashes. My latest play through was going well, minimal issues (no more than I had in my first vanilla play through). However, I started with issues with SS2 quests not advancing/starting and radio stations not working. End of the beginning being the latest not to start at all.

My latest play through had to have been the smoothest run up until SS2 issues. I have trimmed a few more mods out of my load order, in the hope that it may help, but...

So before I attempt another go at the game (possibly my last for a while)

If any kind person has the time or inclination, and can/is willing to offer any advice or insight to mods which may cause issues my my load order is below, (it's not yet entirely optimised but it is close to my last play through).

Yes there are a lot of mods, FallUI and sorting (no quest tags), Buffout 4 are also installed. My last save ran with minimal issues with these mods until around 120+ hours. I should probably add that I like to take it slow in game and build a lot myself, I generally avoid going more than twice the build limit. So often quest are left hanging for a while whilst I am tending to Preston's demands, Mamma Murphy's habbit or taking Dogmeat for a walk, oh and building stuff)

Any constructive input or advice is welcomed and thank you in advance and for taking the time to read this.

Spoiler: Load order

# Automatically generated by Vortex
Fallout4.esm
DLCRobot.esm
DLCworkshop01.esm
DLCCoast.esm
DLCworkshop02.esm
DLCworkshop03.esm
DLCNukaWorld.esm
ccbgsfo4018-gaussrifleprototype.esl
ccbgsfo4019-chinesestealtharmor.esl
ccbgsfo4023-powerarmorskin(camo02).esl
ccbgsfo4025-powerarmorskin(chrome).esl
ccbgsfo4038-horsearmor.esl
ccbgsfo4044-hellfirepowerarmor.esl
ccfsvfo4001-modularmilitarybackpack.esl
ccfsvfo4002-midcenturymodern.esl
cceejfo4001-decorationpack.esl
ccbgsfo4033-powerarmorskinwhite.esl
ccbgsfo4024-pacamo03.esl
ccrzrfo4001-tunnelsnakes.esm
ccbgsfo4045-advarccab.esl
ccfsvfo4003-slocum.esl
ccgcafo4001-factionws01army.esl
ccgcafo4002-factionws02acat.esl
ccgcafo4005-factionws05hrpink.esl
ccgcafo4006-factionws06hrshark.esl
ccgcafo4007-factionws07hrflames.esl
ccgcafo4009-factionws09mm.esl
ccgcafo4010-factionws10rr.esl
ccgcafo4011-factionws11vt.esl
ccgcafo4012-factionas01acat.esl
ccgcafo4013-factionas02bos.esl
ccgcafo4015-factionas04hrpink.esl
ccgcafo4016-factionas05hrshark.esl
ccgcafo4018-factionas07mm.esl
ccgcafo4021-factionas10hrflames.esl
ccgcafo4022-factionas11vt.esl
ccgcafo4023-factionas12army.esl
ccawnfo4001-brandedattire.esl
ccswkfo4001-astronautpowerarmor.esm
ccbgsfo4050-dgbcoll.esl
ccbgsfo4051-dgbox.esl
ccbgsfo4052-dgdal.esl
ccbgsfo4053-dggoldr.esl
ccbgsfo4054-dggreatd.esl
ccbgsfo4055-dghusk.esl
ccbgsfo4056-dglabb.esl
ccbgsfo4057-dglaby.esl
ccbgsfo4058-dglabc.esl
ccbgsfo4060-dgrot.esl
ccbgsfo4061-dgshiinu.esl
ccfrsfo4002-antimaterielrifle.esl
cceejfo4002-nuka.esl
ccbgsfo4027-powerarmorskingreen.esl
ccbgsfo4028-powerarmorskinorange.esl
ccbgsfo4031-powerarmorskinred.esl
ccbgsfo4029-powerarmorskinpink.esl
cczsef04001-bhouse.esm
cctosfo4001-neosky.esm
cckgjfo4001-bastion.esl
ccbgsfo4063-papat.esl
ccbgsfo4048-dovah.esl
ccbgsfo4115-x02.esl
ccbgsfo4118-ws_tunnelsnakes.esl
ccbgsfo4103-as_tunnelsnakes.esl
ccjvdfo4001-holiday.esl
cczsefo4002-smanor.esm
ccacxfo4001-vsuit.esl
ccbgsfo4040-vrworkshop01.esl
ccfsvfo4005-vrdesertisland.esl
ccfsvfo4006-vrwasteland.esl
cctosfo4002_neonflats.esm
ccbgsfo4117-capmerc.esl
ccfsvfo4004-vrworkshopgnrplaza.esl
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
HUDFramework.esm
BakaFramework.esm
WorkshopFramework.esm
CWSS Redux.esp
CleanMySettlement.esm
SS2.esm
SS2_XPAC_Chapter2.esm
NoirPenthouseNavmeshFix.esl
IDEKsLogisticsStation2.esl
CharlestownCondoFullSettlement.esl
ShroudManorFullSettlement.esl
VCM_LibrarySupportPlugin_F-ESL.esl
ArchUniqueSettlers.esl
JUniqueMinutemenSettlers.esl
YouAndWhatArmy.esl
VendorTrunk.esl
CROSS_CoA.esl
F4MS.esl
usefulchemist.esl
CanarySaveFileMonitor.esl
NeonFlatsFullSettlement.esl
NuCafeOlaFullSettlement.esl
NoirPenthouseFullSettlement.esl
Bunker Hill Deep Clean ESL-F.esp
Better Manufacturing.esp
Better Manufacturing - Menu Organization.esp
ManufacturingExtended.esp
Better Manufacturing - Manufacturing Extended Additions MO.esp
DLC items to manufacturing.esp
Better Manufacturing - Manufacturing Extended Expanded Patch WO.esp
SettlementPrivacy.esp
SS2Extended.esp
RecruitableSettlers.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
AFT_Hotkey_Recipes.esp
GruffyddsSignsAndPosters.esp
GS&P-Entertainment.esp
GS&P-FactionsRailroad.esp
SettleObjExpandPack.esp
HoloTime.esp
GrafsSecurityFences.esp
AutoDoors.esp
SettleObjExpandPack-AutoDoorsPatch.esp
AD_Graf's Security Fences_Ver_1_4_Patch.esp
FO4Hotkeys.esp
Nuka Tight.esp
Super Mutant Armor.esp
Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul Redux.esp
SettlementMenuManager.esp
Vault88 - Essentials.esp
HZS Easy Homebuilder and Working Double Beds.esp
MT_AutomatronVoices.esp
SchoolDeskObject.esp
M8rDisablePipboyEffects.esp
FIS-Naming-Weap-Armo-EN.esp
RemoteExplosives.esp
PAVertibirdDockFix.esp
PAVertibirdNoFSTFix.esp
AkaDeliveryService.esp
TransferSettlements.esp
mso_sms.esp
IDEKsLogisticsStation2_SS2_Patch.esp
SS2AOP_VaultTecTools.esp
SS2WastelandReconstructionKit.esp
SS2_DLCSettlerPatch.esp
personal paintings.esp
SS2Extended_OutfitInjectionPatch.esp
Snappy_HouseK.esp
SS2_FDK_TinyLiving.esp
Settlement Aid Program EASY.esp
Sandbag Fortifications - Version 2C.esp
SettlementSecuritySystem.esp
SnapBeds.esp
TimerPowerSwitch.esp
UncappedSettlementSurplus.esp
Vault-Tec Workshop Overhaul.esp
Housekeeping.esp
Linked Storage Containers.esp
MoreVaultSigns.esp
justSomeTerminals.esp
Vendor.esp
MoreProductiveScavengers.3junk10chance.esp
GS&P-FactionsBrotherhood.esp
GS&P-Community.esp
GS&P-FactionsOther.esp
GS&P-Lodging.esp
GS&P-FactionsMinutemen.esp
GS&P-AddedSettlements.esp
GS&P-GenericSettlements.esp
GS&P-Vintage.esp
GS&P-FoodAndDrink.esp
GS&P-Businesses.esp
GS&P-ChurchGraveHolidays.esp
GS&P-LawAndSafety.esp
GS&P-FactionsInstitute.esp
GS&P-SignsOfTheTimes.esp
GS&P-GenericAndMiscellaneous.esp
BAM-BetterArmoryMod.esp
BuildableBurningCampfires.esp
BetterNixies.esp
VltElevatorDLC.esp
DLCLetters2xStandalone.esp
FilledBrahminFeedTroughs.esp
HZS Office and Stores.esp
EHB&WDB Autodoor Patch.esp
Child Posters.esp
DiverseChildren.esp
ModdableRobotSettlers.esp
RobotFactionPaint.esp
Laurent's Robot Skins.esp
Crimsomrider's Pre-War Workbenches.esp
MMP4APA-blue.esp
MMP4APA.esp
Campsite.esp
HelmetToggle.esp
EvenMoreManufacturing.esp
ChildChair.esp
LR_APCTransport.esp
Orphans.esp
SimpleSettlers.esp
MilitarizedMinutemen.esp
cVc Dead Wasteland 6.esp
LR_APCNukaWorldExspansion.esp
TeleportersFastTravel.esp
V88Improvements.esp
MREs.esp
CROSS_MojaveManhunter.esp
FPVertibird.esp
FPV_Armored.esp
FPVRings.esp
LR_APCFarHarborExspansion.esp
SKKSurvivalUtilities.esp
SS2WastelandVenturers.esp
SS2-Jampads2.esp
FunctionalKingsportLighthouse.esp
AkaWaterWorld.esp
creativeclutter.esp
FPVTrackingModule.esp
FPVPilotCommands.esp
ButcherMeatRack.esp
AkaAutomaticLaserTripwire.esp
cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC.esp
Eli_Crafting Shiz 9000.esp
DynGuardMats.esp
DynStoreMats.esp
cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC2.esp
cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC3.esp
AkaInvisibleFurniture.esp
OK Guard Posts.esp
NukaVimRack.esp
nixieclock.esp
RRTV_MyFirstInfirmary.esp
ShootingTarget.esp
NukaExMachina.esp
Thematic and Practical.esp
Thematic and Practical - DLC.esp
SuperMutantWorkShop.esp
woodysWastelandStuff.esp
WDP-PC.esp
Wall Oil Lamps.esp
1Dr_YWS_Posters.esp
cartman1975_warehouse.esp
XnjguyFilledMods_AIO.esp
NISTRONLiveSettlementMaps.esp
EEE.esp
Automatron Protectrons Expanded.esp
Beanies_2_0.esp
CROSS_BrotherhoodRecon.esp
CROSS_Uni_BosUniform.esp
More_Clothes_Textures.esp
TNR Shoulder Lamp.esp
TNR Shoulder Lamp - Settings.esp
Lots More Male Hairstyles.esp
K9TacticalHarness.esp
CROSS_CourserStrigidae.esp
ScrapDeadThings.esp
Raze My Settlement.esp
WorkshopPlus.esp
PhotoMode.esp
LooksMenu.esp
dinoshelf.esp
evan_modular kitchen.esp
unclechubby.esp
Vault88Pro.esp
Nuka World Bot Fixes.esp
Settlement_Markers.esp
TheFridge.esp
AD_DLC.esp
WiredLights.esp
PowerArmorHoarder.esp
MilitarisedMinutemen_PatchesAddon.esp
Sanctuary_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
SpectacleIsland_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
The Castle.esp
Cov-TBH-DCnR_F-ESL.esp
Graygarden_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
RedRocket_DC_F-ESL.esp
WarwickHomestead_DC_F-ESL.esp
JamaicaPlains_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
EgretTours_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
CroupManor_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
TheSlog_DC_F-ESL.esp
StarlightDrivein_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
AbernathyFarm_DC_F-ESL.esp
GreentopNursery_DCnr_F-ESL.esp
KingsportLighthouse_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
SunshideTidings_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
CoastalCottage_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
HangmansAlley_DC_F-ESL.esp
NordhagenBeach_DC_F-ESL.esp
TenpinesOutpostZimonja_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
SomervillePlace_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
MurkwaterConstruction_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
CountyCrossing_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
EchoLakeLumber_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
NationalParkVC_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
DaltonFarm_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
FinchFarm_DC_F-ESL.esp
LongfellowsCabin_DCnR_F-ESL.esp
MechanistLair_DC_F-ESL.esp
NukaWorldRedRocket_DC_F-ESL.esp
Vault88_DC_F-ESL.esp

 

[Antoine Soverie]

Personally I see nothing wrong with your load order. No massive red flags that stand out, anyway. Could be some obscure mod that seems completely unrelated but...
You could try loading a save that doesn't have War is good for business complete then use the holotape to force complete to start of End of the Beginning. Console commands usually don't work in this case.
A common boogieman to blame in a lot of cases is script lag, have you noticed any of it? using vit-o-matic on a settler should have some indication, if it takes more than a second or 2. The "solution" to stand in an empty room for a while doesn't always work but still.
What's your SS2 version? If it's not up to date, you can always try and update it, along with chapter 2 file and workshop framework. Current version has some issues that are waiting to get resolved but that might help.

 

[Kit_uk]

Thanks for you reply
No major script lag, vit-o-matic works within 1-2 seconds with rare exceptions. I usually head to the basement at sanctuary or the one north of county crossing and wait and save for the end of each game session.

All mods up to date with the exception of recruitable settlers (I use the non nuka world version)
Trying to advance the quest with the holotape only works if I try on a save before the start of chapter 2.

 

[yaugie]

You know, I had "MMP4APA" (Minutemen Paint for All Power Armors) on my "be wary of this mod" list I personally keep to reference for problems, but it's been there since like a week after SS2 first launched, and at the time I wasn't documenting why they were on there. It's probably fine, I just wish I could remember what made me wary of it in the first place.

I don't see anything else that should be causing any significant problems. It may just be some Just Bethesda Things(tm) of the game gradually collapsing in on itself the longer you play any one save - I frequently find similar issues start happening once a save passes 24 Hours Played myself.

 

[RayBo]

Thanks for you reply
No major script lag, vit-o-matic works within 1-2 seconds with rare exceptions. I usually head to the basement at sanctuary or the one north of county crossing and wait and save for the end of each game session.

All mods up to date with the exception of recruitable settlers (I use the non nuka world version)
Trying to advance the quest with the holotape only works if I try on a save before the start of chapter 2.

This is "CleanMySettlement.esm" so it is likely the REDUX, the original is an esp unless you reflag it.

Clean My Settlement REDUX

***NO PRECOMBINES BROKEN***With this you can remove the bramble-junk, vines, piles of leaves, seaweed, and some of the brick and debri junk in your settlements while in workshop mode. Or u

www.nexusmods.com

If it is the REDUX, then note Whispers note:
LOADORDER NOTE
Put this mod at the very top of your loadorder (before UFO4P, etc) - you want everything else to overwrite this!


If it is this one? I relize it is likely not the orginal but......I say some of this as insiders would reflag the original to an .esm when we used it.

Clean My Settlement

***NO PRECOMBINES BROKEN***Scrap all that ugly bramble-junk and vines and piles of leaves in your settlement - or outside, if using Place Everywhere. Can also use a craftable holotape to r

www.nexusmods.com

The original?

then:
~~~Install Order~~~
Install after flora mods and before any settlement mods. Mods which alter precombines (including some flora mods) must be installed after this mod!

As-is, the CleanMySettlement.esm mod needs to be above the Fo4UP if it is the REDUX.

All that said, your loadorder is so big that casual glances at it are not likely sufficient.
I suggest you get Fo4Edit & watch a few videos in how to use it to check for conflicts and look at it that way if you continue to have issues.

just my 2 cents....not worth much a lot of mods up there I have never used

 

[Kit_uk]

You know, I had "MMP4APA" (Minutemen Paint for All Power Armors) on my "be wary of this mod" list I personally keep to reference for problems, but it's been there since like a week after SS2 first launched, and at the time I wasn't documenting why they were on there. It's probably fine, I just wish I could remember what made me wary of it in the first place.

I don't see anything else that should be causing any significant problems. It may just be some Just Bethesda Things(tm) of the game gradually collapsing in on itself the longer you play any one save - I frequently find similar issues start happening once a save passes 24 Hours Played myself.

Thanks for your response. I can't say I have ever noticed issues with Minutemen Paint for All Power Armors, I have had it in my load order for years, but, will keep an eye on that one.

 

[Kit_uk]

This is "CleanMySettlement.esm" so it is likely the REDUX, the original is an esp unless you reflag it.

Thanks for your response.
Yeah it is that one, I thought I had set it to load before UFO4P, so thanks for reminding me.