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Solved All quest NPC‘s frozen and can’t interact with

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This is actually the third time that this has happened in the last two months. I had to start a new game the first time, the second time I realize that it was Sim settlements.I went through all of my mods 1 by 1. When I removed Sim from my mod list all of my quests was working fine. But then after some time of using Sim it did it again. What happens is when I enter an interior Cell, first my companion will not follow me inside they will stay by the original door that we entered. Then none of the quest NPC’s will interact with me, or move...they seems stuck. When I try to interact with them it says that this NPC is busy. First I had SIM settlement with the separate rise and the separate Industrial revolution. At first I thought if I remove those three and went with the Sim 3 in 1 it would work better.But it didn’t after some time it all happened Again. The only way to fix it is to remove Sim do it clean save and reinstall Sim. But after some time it happens again to the point where I might have to just completely delete Sim because it’s breaking my game.
 
This is actually the third time that this has happened in the last two months. I had to start a new game the first time, the second time I realize that it was Sim settlements.I went through all of my mods 1 by 1. When I removed Sim from my mod list all of my quests was working fine. But then after some time of using Sim it did it again. What happens is when I enter an interior Cell, first my companion will not follow me inside they will stay by the original door that we entered. Then none of the quest NPC’s will interact with me, or move...they seems stuck. When I try to interact with them it says that this NPC is busy. First I had SIM settlement with the separate rise and the separate Industrial revolution. At first I thought if I remove those three and went with the Sim 3 in 1 it would work better.But it didn’t after some time it all happened Again. The only way to fix it is to remove Sim do it clean save and reinstall Sim. But after some time it happens again to the point where I might have to just completely delete Sim because it’s breaking my game.

It is up to you? You have gotten part of the drill right. :good

Sounds like you have a mod-conflict. If you simply remove 50% of a 50/50 conflict you have no conflict. If that is all that is really the problem. I suspect it isn't that simple.

Here is the thing to find the other half of your problem you will need to the inverse of what you have done already. Find the other 50%
Often what happens is something like:
Jacked Load-Order to begin with:
"Hypothetical example"
20% Scrap mod or other goofy game destroying combo.
20% User Actions:
20% Broken Nav-mesh:
20% Backed up scripts and stack dump:
20% All kinds of mods start acting funny:
_____SUM_____Save File Corruption______________
=100% User - Removes the one mod that generates the most scripts but fails to deal with the underlying problem: You removed the beaver dam that backing everything up, but your beaver...he is still there. :poohlol "i know, that is a bear - I can't find a beaver." :sorry

Now I suggest if you do want help that you post a load order. That is a productive place to start. Maybe someone will see something and comment.

If you don't know how to pull one below is a video to show you how:

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by uninstalling and reinstalling you are contributing to breaking your game. fallout 4 is not designed for you to uninstall and reinstall mods - it just isn't.
i'm going to ask - are you removing/adding mods to the same live game? if you are - then that is going to be a contributor to the issues you're seeing.
the way fallout 4 works is - you start the game with a load order and you play it without adding/removing mods. if you can't do that, then you're going to get game breaking issues. be prepared to start a new game any time you mess with your load order.
 
by uninstalling and reinstalling you are contributing to breaking your game. fallout 4 is not designed for you to uninstall and reinstall mods - it just isn't.
i'm going to ask - are you removing/adding mods to the same live game? if you are - then that is going to be a contributor to the issues you're seeing.
the way fallout 4 works is - you start the game with a load order and you play it without adding/removing mods. if you can't do that, then you're going to get game breaking issues. be prepared to start a new game any time you mess with your load order.[/QUOTE
by uninstalling and reinstalling you are contributing to breaking your game. fallout 4 is not designed for you to uninstall and reinstall mods - it just isn't.
i'm going to ask - are you removing/adding mods to the same live game? if you are - then that is going to be a contributor to the issues you're seeing.
the way fallout 4 works is - you start the game with a load order and you play it without adding/removing mods. if you can't do that, then you're going to get game breaking issues. be prepared to start a new game any time you mess with your load order.
no. I don’t do that. But... Now that I think of it, each time it Happened was after I updated a few mods. This time it happened when I updated Sim, cheat terminal and AAF.
 
no. I don’t do that. But... Now that I think of it, each time it Happened was after I updated a few mods. This time it happened when I updated Sim, cheat terminal and AAF.

Please post your modlist and LO. It will help immensely in figuring out your problems
 
1. In that game. Did you ever use a City Plan?

2. *Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp :shout :cray :suicide2:skull

3. Some of the others from the other place can be problematic and I cannot troubleshoot them or give advice as I have never seen them in tools like Fo4Edit. sorry. :unknw
 
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Yes I did. But it was only two settlements. Vault 88 and outpost Zimonja. Only because I have no mods for those two settlements.

I would start by running it through loot.

Things like this need to be last:
*EFF.esp

It would be funny if it was that simple..
 
I would start by running it through loot.

Things like this need to be last:
*EFF.esp


It would be funny if it was that simple..
You’re not gonna believe this one. I put EFF just above sanctuary all the way at the bottom. I went back a couple of saves and I retry the same mission. And it works.
 
Here is my mod list. Hope you can find something that can help me.
So first and foremost make sure Vortex auto-sort is on. It uses LOOT automatically and fixes 99% of your problems.

As for you plugins.

  • RSEII Brothels and add-ons is broken as per the author. It will cause CTD in save games and not recommended to be used. Look at AAF Prostitution instead.
  • Just Business has also been giving problems as off late as it hasn't been updated in a while.
  • CWSS Redux should be removed. It doesn't play nice with AAF and the bath animations often cause CTD's. Use Build Your Own Pool instead. It has showers included.
  • Your running AE without AWKCR? How? Vortex must be freaking out over missing masters?
  • Your animation packs are not correctly ordered or installed. Please use the following link to fix this. Please note. This link is NSFW and leads to a 18+ Mod site. AAF Install Guide (NSFW). If you need more help you can find me and the guide's author on the AAF discord.
  • Removed mcgFemaleWalk and replace with Girly Animations which is more compatible with AAF.
  • Unique Female Bodies and Unique players is incompatible with AAF. Use BodyGen instead.
  • Get rid of all the clean and simple mods. They are notorious for breaking settlements.
  • Same for scrap everything. Replace both with Raze my Settlements and Place Everywhere.
  • You don't need no more monochrome. It's a simple INI setting to enable color.
  • FunctionalDisplays is outdated and breaks most of the house mods you have installed and the patches are also outdated. Remove it.
  • BetterSettlers is incompatible with Beautiful series of mods. Remove it and replace it with Simple Settlers.
Major suggestion. If your using ROTC do not use Settlement overhaul mods. They will break ROTC and make the game unplayable.

HTH
 
But after some time it happens again to the point where I might have to just completely delete Sim because it’s breaking my game.
Basic load order management my friend.

So many obvious issues in your load order that could have easily been avoided if you'd read the mod descriptions, ordered the mods correctly, and removed mods that are abandoned, or don't work with other mods.

This is what I call, the UFO4P effect.

You have a mod that is constantly maintained and updated, and it is THAT mod that gets the blame for any problems over the myriad of abandoned, poorly supported and basically crap mods in the load order. Amazing.

Follow @BinaryMisfit's advice, it's right on the money.
 
So first and foremost make sure Vortex auto-sort is on. It uses LOOT automatically and fixes 99% of your problems.

As for you plugins.

  • RSEII Brothels and add-ons is broken as per the author. It will cause CTD in save games and not recommended to be used. Look at AAF Prostitution instead.
  • Just Business has also been giving problems as off late as it hasn't been updated in a while.
  • CWSS Redux should be removed. It doesn't play nice with AAF and the bath animations often cause CTD's. Use Build Your Own Pool instead. It has showers included.
  • Your running AE without AWKCR? How? Vortex must be freaking out over missing masters?
  • Your animation packs are not correctly ordered or installed. Please use the following link to fix this. Please note. This link is NSFW and leads to a 18+ Mod site. If you need more help you can find me and the guide's author on the AAF discord.
  • Removed mcgFemaleWalk and replace with Girly Animations which is more compatible with AAF.
  • Unique Female Bodies and Unique players is incompatible with AAF. Use BodyGen instead.
  • Get rid of all the clean and simple mods. They are notorious for breaking settlements.
  • Same for scrap everything. Replace both with Raze my Settlements and Place Everywhere.
  • You don't need no more monochrome. It's a simple INI setting to enable color.
  • FunctionalDisplays is outdated and breaks most of the house mods you have installed and the patches are also outdated. Remove it.
  • BetterSettlers is incompatible with Beautiful series of mods. Remove it and replace it with Simple Settlers.
Major suggestion. If your using ROTC do not use Settlement overhaul mods. They will break ROTC and make the game unplayable.

HTH
So first and foremost make sure Vortex auto-sort is on. It uses LOOT automatically and fixes 99% of your problems.

As for you plugins.

  • RSEII Brothels and add-ons is broken as per the author. It will cause CTD in save games and not recommended to be used. Look at AAF Prostitution instead.
  • Just Business has also been giving problems as off late as it hasn't been updated in a while.
  • CWSS Redux should be removed. It doesn't play nice with AAF and the bath animations often cause CTD's. Use Build Your Own Pool instead. It has showers included.
  • Your running AE without AWKCR? How? Vortex must be freaking out over missing masters?
  • Your animation packs are not correctly ordered or installed. Please use the following link to fix this. Please note. This link is NSFW and leads to a 18+ Mod site. If you need more help you can find me and the guide's author on the AAF discord.
  • Removed mcgFemaleWalk and replace with Girly Animations which is more compatible with AAF.
  • Unique Female Bodies and Unique players is incompatible with AAF. Use BodyGen instead.
  • Get rid of all the clean and simple mods. They are notorious for breaking settlements.
  • Same for scrap everything. Replace both with Raze my Settlements and Place Everywhere.
  • You don't need no more monochrome. It's a simple INI setting to enable color.
  • FunctionalDisplays is outdated and breaks most of the house mods you have installed and the patches are also outdated. Remove it.
  • BetterSettlers is incompatible with Beautiful series of mods. Remove it and replace it with Simple Settlers.
Major suggestion. If your using ROTC do not use Settlement overhaul mods. They will break ROTC and make the game unplayable.

HTH
Wow that’s a lot. Thank you for looking over my load order and giving me these great suggestions. I think what I did wrong was when I restarted the game a couple months ago because of the quarantine, I decided to use mods that I already had installed. Simply because I’ve never had issues with them in the past. I’ve been modding fallout 4 for years with no issues. This is the first time I’ve ever had issues with my load order. I believe it’s because it’s also the first time I’ve used AAF and mods off of LL. Now it’s starting to make sense. I used AAF prostitution before and it broke my game. That’s why I switched to RSEII. But now that I think about it..it could have been CWSS that was causing the issue. I will remove both. As for the animations again.. I’ve never used those type of animations before so I assumed they would be loaded in with game changes and tweaks. When I have a chance I’ll jump onto the link you sent me so I can learn more about using those types of animations. i’ve never had issues with clean and simple in the past, I still don’t have issues with them now, but if you recommend me removing...them. I will. I actually do have AWKCR. don’t understand why it was not in my list. I do not mess around with the auto sort with vortex. What I do is I just simply designate which mods I want to load after certain mods, with the hold and drag feature. I don’t use ROTC.
 
  • CWSS Redux should be removed. It doesn't play nice with AAF and the bath animations often cause CTD's. Use Build Your Own Pool instead. It has showers included.
Granted this was years ago I remember reading about it and it was reported by the author of CWSS so expect some bias and that it has possibly since been fixed....but as I recall Build Your Own Pool's scripts are written in such a way that NPC's who strip naked to shower and then get dressed again keep accumulating multiple copies of their outfits in their hidden inventory leading to save game bloat. I've also never once experienced a CTD using any of CWSS's stuff. But I also don't run LL mods which might be why I've never had issues with CWSS.
 
Granted this was years ago I remember reading about it and it was reported by the author of CWSS so expect some bias and that it has possibly since been fixed....but as I recall Build Your Own Pool's scripts are written in such a way that NPC's who strip naked to shower and then get dressed again keep accumulating multiple copies of their outfits in their hidden inventory leading to save game bloat. I've also never once experienced a CTD using any of CWSS's stuff. But I also don't run LL mods which might be why I've never had issues with CWSS.
I have had the issue with CWSS more and more recently even without LL mods. The BYOP mod did have issues but I haven't picked up on it recent game sessions. However now that you mention it I will start paying closer attention.

CWSS crashes for me on bathing but showers are fine. Which is strange. There is one LL mod that does conflict with it however which also integrates into Get Dirty. I might need to do some more work to track it down.
 
i've had cwss in my load order since day 1 never had a single problem with it. i know that other mods have inadvertantly had issues with it - but i dont run those mods. cwss is a great mod - i'd recommend it to anyone.
 
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