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Solved CTD Immediately When Going Near Settlements (Specifically Hangman's Alley)

haitan95

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Crash To Desktop right at the moment i set foot near Hangman's Alley (and Graygarden in the last save). Have no choice but to uninstall Sim Settlements - 3 in 1 and Sim Settlements - Conquerer. After that the game runs smooth like butter without crash. Sorry, but i love this game too much to risk not playing it at all because of this mod. Will give it another try when i upgrade my GPU to something like RTX 2080 ti. Thanks for the mod anyway. Peace.
 
Turn out all i have to do is wait for the mod to completely install before exiting vault 111. Thanks for the awsome mod, i have to dive in the game right now. Love you.
 
Turn out all i have to do is wait for the mod to completely install before exiting vault 111. Thanks for the awsome mod, i have to dive in the game right now. Love you.

Yes, have to finish before exiting vault...

And uninstalling mid game is bad. Maybe not immediately, but some time... no if... but when.

John
 
Apparently animation mods don't work well with Sim Settlements. I just installed the AAF (Advanced Animation Framework) and all the required mods that comes with it, and the game crash as soon as I teleported (command coc) to Hangman's Alley. After that I uninstalled AFF and all the required mods, and the game works just fine.
 
Apparently animation mods don't work well with Sim Settlements. I just installed the AAF (Advanced Animation Framework) and all the required mods that comes with it, and the game crash as soon as I teleported (command coc) to Hangman's Alley. After that I uninstalled AFF and all the required mods, and the game works just fine.

It is not AAF related. I know.... @RayBo … I am certain others will backup my statement on this.

It is something else in your mod list... and honestly, just guessing, it is either DEF_UI / VIS-G (BIG problem)… it is a scale form memory issue... have to start making decisions of what you want your Load Order to be... something in your load order is just overwhelming the memory... not the mod in "itself" nor is SS/Conqueror/etc...

You should post behind the spoiler your Load Order - but AAF with/without certain mods works just fine... like SS/Conqueror/etc...
 
Like this
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This is my load order file created by vortex. I have over 254 mods so some of it i have to merge plugins.

Edit: My save files are all over 80 Mbs, which is double the amount of a non-lethal save file. If you guys could pinpoint out the problems, it would be a world of help. Thanks.
 

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This is my load order file created by vortex. I have over 254 mods so some of it i have to merge plugins.

Just opened... top 10 line items...

Unofficial needs to be moved up as one of the 1st things...
DEF - of course... and VIS-G (I dumped both those and have not regretted it... sorry, it will definitely crash your AAF or any other scaleform HUD mod - SS conqueror, etc...
Pack Attack - love it... by itself... script heavy - will crash most anything ….
Creation club... bad mojo but I don't use it and delete all the free stuff so someone else can see that.
Arbitration - is it still supported?
You and What Army - love it but will destroy performance as you gain more settlements...
Vivid Weathers (and True Storms) can at times cause performance issues.


I don't recall the Lost page listing mods in such a cobbled together mess for a load order... you using loot or vortex?

Sorry, I see so much jambled together my eyes crossed... it is not clean or consistent...

I don't know... my LO is based on BraRait's… not been an issue for me for such a long time.

John
 
I don't recall the Lost page listing mods in such a cobbled together mess for a load order... you using loot or vortex?

I use vortex, and the mod groups looks like this:
upload_2020-1-25_2-59-13.png

This is based on Gambit77's suggested load order:
Fallout4.esm
SettlementKeywords.esm ____________________________________SHARED RESOURCES
ArmorKeywords.esm
ValdacilBugFixes.esm ____________________________________________BUG FIXES
Big Leagues Rank 5 Fix.esp
Ninja Perk Fix.esp
SleekFix.esp
Worsins-T60-Headlamp-Fix.esp
Simple Intersection.esp ____________________________SETTLEMENT BUILDING MODS
AlternateSettlements.esp
AlternateFurniture.esp
OCDispenser.esp
OCDecorator.esp
NX Pro - Farm Core.esp
NX Pro - Harvest Overhaul.esp
NX Pro - Farm Core - Valdacil's Item Sorting.esp
ABP Paintings.esp
ABP Paintings - Sets =01=G=P.esp
DD_AIO_I_Hate_You_All.esp
DD_Power_armor_option.esp
DDP_BAB_M1.esp
DD_I_Ran_Out_Of_Funny_Names.esp
LadyKillerBed.esp
BetterGenerators.esp
LongerPowerLines3x.esp
CarryWeight100Strength.esp ____________________________________GAMEPLAY TWEAKS
CarryWeight1000.esp
10% Fusion Core Drain.esp
CHKJunk.esp
DogmeatDistance.esp ____________________________________FOLLOWER TWEAKS
UnlimitedFollowers.esp
DarkerNights.esp ____________________________________AESTHETIC TWEAKS
DarkerNightsDetection.esp
dD-Enhanced Blood.esp
Cuts and Blunts 3.0.esp
DeadBodyCollision.esp
TrueStormsFO4.esp
TrueStormsFO4-LITE-Audio.esp
TrueStormsFO4-ClimateSettings.esp
DarkerNights-TrueStorms-LITE-Audio.esp
PipBoyShadows.esp
Dynamic Weapon Shadows.esp
extendedLightsWS - No shadows.esp
Scrapper Corpse Highlighting.esp
CTHColoredFriendliesSneakingAndOrWeaponDrawn-NSL.esp
RainofBrassPetals.esp
LongRangeBulletHoles.esp
NoObjectLimit.esp __________________________________SETTLEMENT TWEAKS
IncreasedSettlerPopulation50.esp
BetterSettlers.esp
NewFace_Settlers.esp
ShaikujinSettlementAttacked.esp
ShaikujinRadiantAlerts.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-ArmorByClass.esp _______________________________ITEM SORTING
ValdacilsItemSorting-CosmeticsByClass.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-ExplosivesSortBottom.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-Perks.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-ValsPicks.esp
CBBE.esp _______________________________________BODY REPLACER
Dirty Raiders Standalone for CBBE.esp
UniquePlayer.esp
UniqueFollowers.esp
Heroic Shishkebab.esp ____________________________________________WEAPONS
PA_Materials_Paints.esp ____________________________________ARMOR - CLOTHING
Worsins-Paint-Garage-lite-no-bonus.esp
combat_PA.esp
combat_PA - AWKCR - VIS AbC.esp
Brotherhood of Steel Kit.esp
cutoffs-calyps.esp
Harness-calyps.esp
Helmless Hazmat.esp
Clean Drifter Outfit.esp
Dark Drifter.esp
Dark Hats.esp
CuteYenOutfit.esp
DX Adventurer Outfit.esp
DX Chem I Care Outfit.esp
DX Commonwealth Mini Dresses.esp
DX Commonwealth Shorts.esp
DX Vault Girl Shorts.esp
BostonJacketFatiguesMod.esp
LongCoatVaultSuit.esp
Eli_ArmourCollection.esp
Jacket.esp
Kerrigan.esp
KerriganColorChange.esp
Vasstek_Vaultsuit.esp
Nanohelmet.esp
NanoArmor.esp
B-90.esp
StealthSuit.esp
Rangergearnew.esp
NukaRadBans.esp
PreWarDressSA.esp
ProtoLining.esp
squireoutfit.esp
Boston Looter.esp
zWGirlClothMina.esp
zWGirlClothSimply.esp
zWInsanity.esp
AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp
AnV Camo Backpacks.esp
FieldScribeBackpack.esp
EferasShoulderBag.esp
HubrisShoulderBags[Chemistry].esp
Crafting Workbench.esp ____________________________________________CRAFTING
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Expanded.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Faction and Quest Requirements.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Power Armor.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Pre War and Manufactured.esp
Build Crafting Stations in Player Home.esp
Extended weapon mods.esp _____________________________________WEAPON MODDING
EndorsCustomCombatArmor.esp ____________________________ARMOR - CLOTHING MODDING
Craftable Armor Size.esp
MoreWeaves.esp
LegendaryModification.esp
ChineseStealthArmorLegendaryMod.esp
LegendaryModificationMisc.esp
Armorsmith Extended.esp
Armorsmith Calyps Extended.esp
Armorsmith cat_woman1989 Extended.esp
Armorsmith DeserterX Extended.esp
Armorsmith Eferas Extended.esp
Armorsmith Elianora Extended.esp
Armorsmith Invalidfate Extended.esp
Armorsmith Okido Extended.esp
Armorsmith Pack It Up Pack It In.esp
Armorsmith Proto Vault Suit Extended.esp
Armorsmith Prototypes Extended.esp
Armorsmith Siraxx Extended.esp
Armorsmith Unoctium Extended.esp
Armorsmith Unique Followers One Rings.esp
Armorsmith Extended ilordg helmet pack.esp
Spartan-Calyps.esp
rxl_collars.esp
EndorsCustomCombatArmor_AE.esp
Combat Armor Illumination 1.1 ARMRSMTHEXT_CCCA.esp

Have to be honest with you, i'm pretty proud with the load order. Now that you tell me that everything i known over 5 years of modding this game is nothing but thin air, i'm pretty shocked to say the least :D
 
I use vortex, and the mod group looks like this:
View attachment 8138
This is based on Gambit77's suggested load order:
Fallout4.esm
SettlementKeywords.esm ____________________________________SHARED RESOURCES
ArmorKeywords.esm
ValdacilBugFixes.esm ____________________________________________BUG FIXES
Big Leagues Rank 5 Fix.esp
Ninja Perk Fix.esp
SleekFix.esp
Worsins-T60-Headlamp-Fix.esp
Simple Intersection.esp ____________________________SETTLEMENT BUILDING MODS
AlternateSettlements.esp
AlternateFurniture.esp
OCDispenser.esp
OCDecorator.esp
NX Pro - Farm Core.esp
NX Pro - Harvest Overhaul.esp
NX Pro - Farm Core - Valdacil's Item Sorting.esp
ABP Paintings.esp
ABP Paintings - Sets =01=G=P.esp
DD_AIO_I_Hate_You_All.esp
DD_Power_armor_option.esp
DDP_BAB_M1.esp
DD_I_Ran_Out_Of_Funny_Names.esp
LadyKillerBed.esp
BetterGenerators.esp
LongerPowerLines3x.esp
CarryWeight100Strength.esp ____________________________________GAMEPLAY TWEAKS
CarryWeight1000.esp
10% Fusion Core Drain.esp
CHKJunk.esp
DogmeatDistance.esp ____________________________________FOLLOWER TWEAKS
UnlimitedFollowers.esp
DarkerNights.esp ____________________________________AESTHETIC TWEAKS
DarkerNightsDetection.esp
dD-Enhanced Blood.esp
Cuts and Blunts 3.0.esp
DeadBodyCollision.esp
TrueStormsFO4.esp
TrueStormsFO4-LITE-Audio.esp
TrueStormsFO4-ClimateSettings.esp
DarkerNights-TrueStorms-LITE-Audio.esp
PipBoyShadows.esp
Dynamic Weapon Shadows.esp
extendedLightsWS - No shadows.esp
Scrapper Corpse Highlighting.esp
CTHColoredFriendliesSneakingAndOrWeaponDrawn-NSL.esp
RainofBrassPetals.esp
LongRangeBulletHoles.esp
NoObjectLimit.esp __________________________________SETTLEMENT TWEAKS
IncreasedSettlerPopulation50.esp
BetterSettlers.esp
NewFace_Settlers.esp
ShaikujinSettlementAttacked.esp
ShaikujinRadiantAlerts.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-ArmorByClass.esp _______________________________ITEM SORTING
ValdacilsItemSorting-CosmeticsByClass.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-ExplosivesSortBottom.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-Perks.esp
ValdacilsItemSorting-ValsPicks.esp
CBBE.esp _______________________________________BODY REPLACER
Dirty Raiders Standalone for CBBE.esp
UniquePlayer.esp
UniqueFollowers.esp
Heroic Shishkebab.esp ____________________________________________WEAPONS
PA_Materials_Paints.esp ____________________________________ARMOR - CLOTHING
Worsins-Paint-Garage-lite-no-bonus.esp
combat_PA.esp
combat_PA - AWKCR - VIS AbC.esp
Brotherhood of Steel Kit.esp
cutoffs-calyps.esp
Harness-calyps.esp
Helmless Hazmat.esp
Clean Drifter Outfit.esp
Dark Drifter.esp
Dark Hats.esp
CuteYenOutfit.esp
DX Adventurer Outfit.esp
DX Chem I Care Outfit.esp
DX Commonwealth Mini Dresses.esp
DX Commonwealth Shorts.esp
DX Vault Girl Shorts.esp
BostonJacketFatiguesMod.esp
LongCoatVaultSuit.esp
Eli_ArmourCollection.esp
Jacket.esp
Kerrigan.esp
KerriganColorChange.esp
Vasstek_Vaultsuit.esp
Nanohelmet.esp
NanoArmor.esp
B-90.esp
StealthSuit.esp
Rangergearnew.esp
NukaRadBans.esp
PreWarDressSA.esp
ProtoLining.esp
squireoutfit.esp
Boston Looter.esp
zWGirlClothMina.esp
zWGirlClothSimply.esp
zWInsanity.esp
AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp
AnV Camo Backpacks.esp
FieldScribeBackpack.esp
EferasShoulderBag.esp
HubrisShoulderBags[Chemistry].esp
Crafting Workbench.esp ____________________________________________CRAFTING
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Expanded.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Faction and Quest Requirements.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Power Armor.esp
Crafting Workbenches - Pre War and Manufactured.esp
Build Crafting Stations in Player Home.esp
Extended weapon mods.esp _____________________________________WEAPON MODDING
EndorsCustomCombatArmor.esp ____________________________ARMOR - CLOTHING MODDING
Craftable Armor Size.esp
MoreWeaves.esp
LegendaryModification.esp
ChineseStealthArmorLegendaryMod.esp
LegendaryModificationMisc.esp
Armorsmith Extended.esp
Armorsmith Calyps Extended.esp
Armorsmith cat_woman1989 Extended.esp
Armorsmith DeserterX Extended.esp
Armorsmith Eferas Extended.esp
Armorsmith Elianora Extended.esp
Armorsmith Invalidfate Extended.esp
Armorsmith Okido Extended.esp
Armorsmith Pack It Up Pack It In.esp
Armorsmith Proto Vault Suit Extended.esp
Armorsmith Prototypes Extended.esp
Armorsmith Siraxx Extended.esp
Armorsmith Unoctium Extended.esp
Armorsmith Unique Followers One Rings.esp
Armorsmith Extended ilordg helmet pack.esp
Spartan-Calyps.esp
rxl_collars.esp
EndorsCustomCombatArmor_AE.esp
Combat Armor Illumination 1.1 ARMRSMTHEXT_CCCA.esp

Have to be honest with you, i'm pretty proud with the load order. Now that you tell me that everything i known over 5 years of modding this game this nothing but thin air, i'm pretty shock to say the least :D


Sorry, that certainly is not what I was saying about you personally... just that it what I see in the load order seems all over the place. Yes, I used Gambits when I first started modding as well... not sure what age this LO is...

You asked said AAF and SS Conqueror don't play nice together... Sorry, it does fine. My answer stands... dump DEFUI and VIS-G... or dump AAF...

It's all up to you what you want your game to be. I am simply stating if you want AAF along with whatever x, y, z... you have to decide what you want, what you need, and what you really don't need.

I traded everything for stability, performance and absolutely no CTD's for about the past year (granted - except trying out new mods - my LO and mod list has not changed much.

The process of Baking a Save Game by @RayBo will help you most as well..

My opinion - offered for free.
John
 
Sorry, that certainly is not what I was saying about you personally... just that it what I see in the load order seems all over the place.
I completely understood. My load order is the combination of the groups rules i placed by hand and the AI of the built-in LOOT function of vortex, of course it will look mad. I just wanna know if it's a fine load order considered i picked the rules by hand and based on a mod author's load order.


Yes, I used Gambits when I first started modding as well... not sure what age this LO is...
I'm afraid it's the OG days of modding to say the least, considered I've use it since the beginning of the fricking time :D


You asked said AAF and SS Conqueror don't play nice together... Sorry, it does fine. My answer stands... dump DEFUI and VIS-G... or dump AAF...
I think i'll dump AAF, since i CAN NOT (seriously) live without vis-g. Been a VIS user since it's only Valdacil's Item Sorting. I intentionally put the item sorting mods in the bottom cause I fricking LOVED it so much, as you can see.


I traded everything for stability, performance and absolutely no CTD's for about the past year (granted - except trying out new mods - my LO and mod list has not changed much.
I'm too trade everything for stability, but i simply don't know how to do it very well. I truly envy you, as I can not walk 5 minutes straight without a CTD. If you can some how show me the way, I would LITERALLY DYING to know. I hope you understand that i'm just a fallout 4 lover, and been modding since the day it was released but still a noob. I'm just simply looking for help.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Sincerely, Tan.
 
i tried to make sense of that load order, and i can't.
can i ask you - what is the goal of your load order? what are you trying to do with it?
 
I can understand valdacils. Much more stable than vis-g.

But I dont play inventory management.

It's kind of like setting up a survival game and after a few hours you just go nah, this is bs...

My load order reflects my install order. It takes me about 3 hours to do my baked save game. But when you have 400 mods and everything to work together there us a sequence of what gets enabled 1st.

John
 
I switched to Vortex because of the manage groups function. I've been using Nexus Mod Manager since the beginning of time.

I still do... latest community manager.

My mod page is all categorized by install as well as mods within the category with prefixes to get then to install in the order I want.

I setup NMM up manually then i just install top to bottom...
 
i don't think you're going to get that with the load order you have now as evidenced by your own experience. basically either your game is broken beyond repair, or will become broken beyond repair, based on the sheer number of mods, and the size of your game saves.

there are brilliant posts in these forums from @RayBo and @Whisper on game and mod management. read them. seriously you will learn a lot.

i would look to remove all creation club stuff from your data directory - that is proven to break the game. seriously just don't even waste your time with that stuff in your load order.

having done that, i'd then look to start a new game with a very small set of mods, UFO4P is a must-have everything else is entirely optional.

You then need to figure out if you absolutely MUST have mod x and if there's even 1% doubt, remove it.

Then i'd start a new game and i'd make save points before i left vault 111, and after i'd completed the sanctuary quests with codsworth and then i'd slowly - as in one at a time - add mods into my game.

then i'd let vortex do the sorting of the mods and go with what it and loot suggest.

if it was me.

you are free to ignore this advice, but like @MrCJohn i can play fallout for hours with no ctd's because i want stability over esthetics/inventory management.
 
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